Simplifying Korganizer

[Olivier Churlaud]

Sorry for top-posting: I'm on my phone...

I had no idea about all the features you exposed, so posting here was relevant :)

I'll look into the options  you detailed...

Cheers,
Olivier


Le 4 septembre 2017 05:49:32 GMT+02:00, "Daniel Vrátil" <dvratil at kde.org> a écrit :
>On Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:35:12 CEST Olivier Churlaud wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I would like to do a very bold proposition.
>> 
>> To give some context, Korganizer is the KDE application I use the
>most after
>> KMail. And even though, I have trouble to switch between the views
>that are
>> quite mixed :
>> 
>>  - Agenda
>>  - Month
>>  - Timeline
>>  - Tasks
>>  - Journal
>> 
>> Korganizer's strenght is in the event management : so I imagine a
>calendar,
>> with 3 views:
>>  - all the events in a list,
>>  - an agenda (with a focus on a month or a week or a day)
>>  - timelines (without focus, just endless lines that loads when
>shown, or
>> based on the 3 agenda focus).
>> 
>> First comment here : Month shall be a subset of agenda, which is
>currently
>> not the case, and I find it always strange.
>
>Agenda has some very special features that make no sense in month view
>- for 
>example you can display the day's/week's agenda for each calendar next
>to each 
>other, rather than mixed into a single view. This makes no sense in
>month 
>view. So code-wise the separation makes sense. UI-wise, there can be 
>improvements, e.g. just by having "Day", "Week", "Month" buttons in the
>
>toolbar.
>
>> Tasks: Now that Zanshin is mature, why do we need to have tasks in
>> Korganizer? Zanshin beeing well integrated in Kontact, I would remove
>that
>> from korganizer, making it easier to use.
>
>Zanshin can be a good alternative to Tasks, but it lacks lots of the 
>funcionality and richness that KOrganizer has for tasks, as Zanshin is 
>designed with certain workflow in mind. I'm fairly sure many people,
>especially 
>in enterprise, would not like that.
>
>It would also requires Zanshin to become a KDE Applications (it's in 
>Extragear) and start having regular releases, which is up to Kévin.
>
>> 
>> And what is Journal? I have no answer for this, but I think that a
>> specialized application integrated in Korganizer would anyway be
>better.
>
>Journal is like your diary - you can create journal logs for specific
>dates. 
>Useful for meeting logs.
>
>Why do you think that a dedicated application would be better? UX/UI
>wise I'm 
>pretty sure this could be fixed on KOrganizer level - like not showing
>event-
>only calendars in Journal etc.) Code-wise it would not help at all,
>since you 
>would be recreating lots of the code that KOrganizer already has and
>shares 
>between events, tasks and journals....we want less code to maintain,
>not more 
>;)
>
>> 
>> This would drastically simplify the toolbar menu, and the Korganizer
>code.
>> In term of UX, currently it's hard to know in which view and which
>content
>> we are : events ? journal ? tasks ? are they the same content ? well
>if
>> not, being in the same window with the exact same menus is very
>strange for
>> users....
>
>On one hand, that's the beauty of it: a uniform UI for everything. I
>would 
>hate it if I would have to toggle visible tasks differently than
>visible 
>events just because they would be different applications...
>
>> 
>> 
>> What do you think ? If you think it is relevant and a good idea, I'm
>ok to
>> do a patch in this direction. But since it would be quite a
>destructive
>> patch, I think we must talk about this. And I'm open to discussion
>and
>> argumentation, if it is possible.
>
>I would prefer a constructive patch instead :-) Identify the actual
>issues and 
>create solutions for them (e.g. "Remove 'Agenda' from toolbar", "Make
>'Day' 
>and 'Week' actions enabled even if 'Month' is selected", etc.). I'm
>sure many 
>of those issues can be fixed just by having a different KXmlUI rc file
>for 
>standalone KOrganizer and for KParts....
>
>
>Dan
>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Olivier
>
>
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