<html><head></head><body>Sorry for top-posting: I'm on my phone...<br>
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I had no idea about all the features you exposed, so posting here was relevant :)<br>
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I'll look into the options you detailed...<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Olivier<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 4 septembre 2017 05:49:32 GMT+02:00, "Daniel Vrátil" <dvratil@kde.org> a écrit :<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:35:12 CEST Olivier Churlaud wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hello,<br /> <br /> I would like to do a very bold proposition.<br /> <br /> To give some context, Korganizer is the KDE application I use the most after<br /> KMail. And even though, I have trouble to switch between the views that are<br /> quite mixed :<br /> <br /> - Agenda<br /> - Month<br /> - Timeline<br /> - Tasks<br /> - Journal<br /> <br /> Korganizer's strenght is in the event management : so I imagine a calendar,<br /> with 3 views:<br /> - all the events in a list,<br /> - an agenda (with a focus on a month or a week or a day)<br /> - timelines (without focus, just endless lines that loads when shown, or<br /> based on the 3 agenda focus).<br /> <br /> First comment here : Month shall be a subset of agenda, which is currently<br /> not the case, and I find it always strange.<br /></blockquote><br />Agenda has some very special features that make no sense in month view - for <br />example you can display the day's/week's agenda for each calendar next to each <br />other, rather than mixed into a single view. This makes no sense in month <br />view. So code-wise the separation makes sense. UI-wise, there can be <br />improvements, e.g. just by having "Day", "Week", "Month" buttons in the <br />toolbar.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Tasks: Now that Zanshin is mature, why do we need to have tasks in<br /> Korganizer? Zanshin beeing well integrated in Kontact, I would remove that<br /> from korganizer, making it easier to use.<br /></blockquote><br />Zanshin can be a good alternative to Tasks, but it lacks lots of the <br />funcionality and richness that KOrganizer has for tasks, as Zanshin is <br />designed with certain workflow in mind. I'm fairly sure many people, especially <br />in enterprise, would not like that.<br /><br />It would also requires Zanshin to become a KDE Applications (it's in <br />Extragear) and start having regular releases, which is up to Kévin.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> And what is Journal? I have no answer for this, but I think that a<br /> specialized application integrated in Korganizer would anyway be better.<br /></blockquote><br />Journal is like your diary - you can create journal logs for specific dates. <br />Useful for meeting logs.<br /><br />Why do you think that a dedicated application would be better? UX/UI wise I'm <br />pretty sure this could be fixed on KOrganizer level - like not showing event-<br />only calendars in Journal etc.) Code-wise it would not help at all, since you <br />would be recreating lots of the code that KOrganizer already has and shares <br />between events, tasks and journals....we want less code to maintain, not more <br />;)<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> This would drastically simplify the toolbar menu, and the Korganizer code.<br /> In term of UX, currently it's hard to know in which view and which content<br /> we are : events ? journal ? tasks ? are they the same content ? well if<br /> not, being in the same window with the exact same menus is very strange for<br /> users....<br /></blockquote><br />On one hand, that's the beauty of it: a uniform UI for everything. I would <br />hate it if I would have to toggle visible tasks differently than visible <br />events just because they would be different applications...<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> <br /> What do you think ? If you think it is relevant and a good idea, I'm ok to<br /> do a patch in this direction. But since it would be quite a destructive<br /> patch, I think we must talk about this. And I'm open to discussion and<br /> argumentation, if it is possible.<br /></blockquote><br />I would prefer a constructive patch instead :-) Identify the actual issues and <br />create solutions for them (e.g. "Remove 'Agenda' from toolbar", "Make 'Day' <br />and 'Week' actions enabled even if 'Month' is selected", etc.). I'm sure many <br />of those issues can be fixed just by having a different KXmlUI rc file for <br />standalone KOrganizer and for KParts....<br /><br /><br />Dan<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> Cheers,<br /> Olivier<br /></blockquote><br /></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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