[Kde-pim] Marketing blocker collection, DEADLINE: 2013-03-10

[O. Sinclair]

On Tuesday 07 May 2013 11:51 AM Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, O. Sinclair wrote:
> > Well well. For starters IMAP and Exchange works best when you live in a
> > connected environment. Some of us, actually still the major parts of the
> > globe, live with slow and expensive internet. We want client-side working
> > solutions. We do not depend on a "cloud". We fall asleep waiting for IMAP
> > sync. I have all my mail on my laptop and use pop and a good backup. And
> > so
> > does my around 100 clients in 5 countries.
> 
> It's not so much a matter of "cloud", more a matter of the ISP or a
> secondary service provider having mail related services, such as an
> outgoing mailserver and hosting mailboxes. Most such providers have IMAP.
> 
> I am also not sure why either speed or cost of the connection should matter,
> i.e. I doubt that the IMAP protocol has a significant overhead over POP3,
> most data will be the emails themselves.
> 
> Actually, server side filtering should cut down on cost since you don't have
> to transfer data that you would throw away anyway, no?
> 
> > So I really disagree. And my wife does. She uses thunderbird, plain and
> > working. Whatever files she saves are nomally dumped on the desktop. No
> > tagging (have you ever heard of anyone non-IT actually taggin files).
> 
> Actually, in my experience, non-IT people are the most craziest taggers.
> E.g. making a picture available to any such crowd will result in almost
> instantanious tagging of people, attaching of comments and ratings (e.g.
> like, +1, depending on the interface).
> 
> IT people are often way more cautious because they are aware of the
> consequences, especially when tagging people.
> 
> > I am sorry, I am a KDEPIM fanboy but like many others I ask -where did the
> > whole database search concept come from? I never search for email outside
> > the client, why would I?
> 
> You'll have to ask the search people how they arrived at the database based
> concept, probably because using an index is faster than crawling through
> each mail when searching.
> Not sure what that has anything to do with the interface being used though.
> 
> > While I sometimes disagree with Martin I admire his strong devotion to
> > hunt
> > bugs. While I agree wiith the devs I also have to question the foundation:
> > why and who use the database computer concept?
> 
> I'd guess most programs other than maybe text editors do. Browsers (e.g.
> Firefox for bookmarks, history), mail clients do (e.g. for mail headers),
> media players do, etc.
> 
> > Who tags their files?
> 
> Almost everybody I know. Be it EXIF tags on images, artist/album/coverart on
> music files, ratings, tagging people, commenting on other people's photos,

Kevin, I am not even sure where to start. But as a beginning I am not out to 
start a flame war. I am on this list to follow improvements of KDEPIM 2. I do 
file bugs, not many or random but it happens. Some of you may have noted me 
appearing on kdepim users mailing, on kde forums, on kubuntu users list.

I want to state that to note that I am not a "joe doe". I started my 
professional career with computers around 1982, before THE IBM PC. 

I have over my +30 years of IT work supported users of DOS, Windows, 
Linux/Kubuntu and now Android. 

In my experience I have never seen users bothered with tagging. Yes on 
Facebook and Google+ they do but not on their own device. I don't, my wife and 
my kids don't. My around 100 users in 4 countries don't. They use "most 
recently", I organise my files in folders. 

With IMAP and Exchange (not supported by Kmail) you have to understand that 
location matters. Where connection is expensive and erratic you want your mail 
ON YOUR DEVICE where you can deal with drafts offline. Filter rules are on 
your device and should be. To rely on server-side is to rely on someone else.

You are welcome to Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi or Mozambique. I have a room for 
visitors. And this mail I will send when power comes back as it has now been 
gone for hours.

So for me and many others filters are on device, not on server. File tagging 
is a pipedream, sorry. So if I search for mail I do it inside Kmail, not in 
KDE. And that is where something went wrong as searching now kind of works in 
KDE but not in KMail...

And these are marketing blockers. We can discuss to doomsday/bloomsday the 
advantages of the concept of a  desktop wide search database engine. But when 
it is nonworking it is just that - a concept.

Respectfully, 
Orjan Sinclair
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