Phonon - Qt or KDE?

Trever Fischer tdfischer at
Sat Nov 12 19:06:45 GMT 2011

On Sat, November 12, 2011 11:46 am, Leo Franchi wrote:
> On Friday, November 11, 2011 12:59:17 PM Trever Fischer wrote:
>> Since we can't just sit on this discussion, here's a list of pros and
>> cons I've made in the case of moving from KDE to Qt
>> Pros:
>> * Jira
>> * Gerrit
>> * Closer to Qt developers
>> * Helps everyone forget about that QtMultimediaKit blunder
>> * Can pull in more Qt users
>> * Can help find any big bumps or rough spots for other projects who
>> would like to perform the same leap * Not everyone hates it
>> Cons:
>> * Need to update all our URLs. Again.
>> * Possibly involves getting a new mailing list
>> * Some KDE devs have an irrational fear of working with Nokia in this
>> manner, much like people don't like using pgst because gstreamer isn't a
>>  KDE project and we hates the gee oh yes we does, precious.
>> * Not everyone likes it
>> * Really, the shed should be azure with green trim.
> I haven't really said much yet, but here I go. I think it'd be a really
> bad idea to abandon the KDE infra (let along port to qmake...) speaking as
> someone who is working on a non-KDE project that uses Phonon.
> Just read those list of Pros/Cons above it really feels like you're
> pulling all the stops for the "Pros" and then totally ignoring the valid
> "Cons" and
> just listing some trivial non-issues (updating urls/ml is not hard...) The
>  concerns that Aaron brings up are valid.
Thats because one person doesn't really constitute a valid defense. I
wasn't trying to attack anyone, just writing down what I gleaned from the
discussion on the list and in IRC. If nobody really spoke up and gave
convincing arguments (Aaron did, I've changed my position), we'd likely
end up going over to Qt.

Not my final decision to make though, but for the record I now agree with
everyone's arguments for staying with KDE.
> I'm not sure how it would help non-KDE people use Phonon. Phonon was
> already included in Qt and the reason people weren't using it, in my
> opinion, was more due to the shoddy cross-platform audio backend support
> that Trolltech/Nokia failed to deliver. Nowadays we have awesome new
> Phonon devs and phonon-vlc is
> great, but before phonon-vlc and phonon-gst was maintained, it was simply
> really f'ing hard to use phonon on mac/windows, if it worked at all.
> Having a
> functional Phonon on all 3 platforms that does not depend on KDE at all
> (like
> right now!) will make people use it already, I think. And if they don't, I
>  don't think being hosted on will be the differentiating
> factor.
> My 2c, anyway :)
> cheers, leo
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> lfranchi at                             The KDE Project
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