aRts vs JACK
neil at qualityassistant.com
Sat Feb 22 17:08:09 GMT 2003
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On Saturday February 22, 2003 08:38, Matthias Kretz wrote:
> On Friday 21 February 2003 22:27, Neil Stevens wrote:
> > Yes it will. Right now, if a decoder crashes, the app has to just
> > restart arts. If we move deocding in process, a crashed decoder
> > crashes the app. KNotify, konqueror (previews), noatun, kaboodle, and
> > most of kdeedu and kdegames, and more would become less stable if one
> > unreliable playobject existed.
> So you think crashing the soundserver is better than crashing an app?
Yes, I do. A lot. If the soundserver crashes, the app can restart it and
very little actually happens to the user. If the app crashes, it's a
hassle for the user.
Therefore, the best solution for the user is to leave as much as possible
> We all know that code will be buggy, but the way it currently is it's
> hard for anyone who's not into aRts a little deeper to understand where
> the problem is, making reporting and fixing bugs a lot harder.
We're not getting the existing known crashes fixed fast enough that I'm
interested in getting more crashes reported yet, actually.
For me, xine_artsplugin kills artsd whenever a video playobject is
unloaded. But right now it's manageable. Under your plan I'd get a crash
dialog every time I pressed stop in kaboodle.
> > > Well if forcing KDE users to have to use aRts and not be able to
> > > choose is a good thing to do... then you're probably right.
> > Yes, KDE has to force its users to use certain libraries and services.
> > We force X, we force Qt, we force unix, we force C++.
> And if would could change that you would rather keep it like it is?
Correct. I would rather keep things as they are, than make a change merely
for the sake of dropping a library. I simply don't buy the argument that
removing a dependency is inherently good in itself, especially in the case
of aRts, when that dependency is maintained in KDE cvs according to KDE
> > Forcing one more thing
> > doens't hurt. We don't force you to run aRts after all.. we only
> > force you to use it if you want audio.
> But we don't have to. We have the chance of telling the user: use aRts
> and you're getting a lot of features, don't use aRts and you will use
> some of that but KDE is still able to make sounds... What's the matter
> with that. It's not "rm -rf arts"ing aRts or anything like it.
Nothing in KDE can play sounds without aRts, though, at all. So we'd still
have to have aRts!
Neil Stevens - neil at qualityassistant.com
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