[kde-linux] Korganizer no longer opens from system tray

Fri Sep 11 13:53:37 UTC 2009

In <4AAA4A32.6080403 at gmail.com>, AG wrote:
>Anne Wilson wrote:
>> On Friday 11 September 2009 06:14:40 Duncan wrote:
>>> AG posted on Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:25:14 +0100 as excerpted:
>>>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>>> The system tray icon is korgac only.  If you want korganizer to be
>>>>> instantly available you have to minimise it to the Task Manager.
>>>>
>>>> I am using Gnome as my DE with my preferred KDE applications within
>>>> that environment.  I never experienced any problems
>>>> with KMail nor Korganizer until relatively recently, and I have not
>>>> changed my user behaviour over the last six or so months with respect to
>>>> these applications.  On the basis of this, I can but conclude that the
>>>> apps are not "behaving" according to my user expectations.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, yes, kde4 is still broken in a number of ways compared to
>>> kde3, and in other ways it's not broken, simply changed behavior (by
>>> design).  So while I don't use korganizer, I'm not surprised at all that
>>> it's not working the way it did for you formerly.  /As/ I don't use it, I
>>> don't know if it's a bug or a deliberate design change, but as I said,
>>> there's a decent number of both in kde4.
>>>
>>>> If I need to change my user behaviour to accommodate some changes within
>>>> the apps themselves, then so be it, but I woyuld need to know what it is
>>>> that I am supposed to be doing differently ... and at this point this
>>>> isn't clear to me.
>>>
>>> Well, at least you're being more flexible than many would be. =:^)
>>
>> First, as we have already discussed, korgac runs in the background,
>> watching out for events where you have set an alert.  By default it sits
>> in your system tray (gnome equivalent?).  You can't do anything with it,
>> in fact I set it to not show on the system tray.  I confess that I can't
>> remember how I did that - probably from a right-click context menu?
>>
>> Now, KOrganizer.  Let's start again.  Tell us exactly how you want it to
>> behave, and we'll see whether it can be made to do that.
>
>My sole point of reference for this is from the days of KDE3.5 -
>although a recent upgrade to KDE4 did behave in a similar fashion -
>where, regardless of the DE/WM I used (Xfce4, GNOME, LXDE) the
>application (I have always clicked on or used a script to invoke)
>Korganizer would quietly sit in the system tray (on the panel near the
>clock - I'm happy to use a screen shot if this list allows attachments?)
>and if I wanted to add a new appointment, I would single left click on
>the icon (used to be a picture of an old hand bell and a chart/calendar)
>and this would open up the organiser.  I'd set an appointment and then
>close (not minimise!) the application and it would return to sitting
>quietly until either I deliberately clicked on it again, or an alert
>triggered it and it would pop up with a reminder.

While I am in a mostly KDE 4.2 environment, I am still using Korganizer from 
KDE 3.5.9.  (I refuse to install Akonadi until Debian can package it in a way 
that doesn't install a MySQL server.)

I can confirm the behavior AG is used to.  In my system tray is a little desk 
calendar with a bell in front of it.  When I hover that icon, I get a tooltip 
of "KOrganizer Reminder Daemon".  I don't have a korganizer process running, 
but I do have "/usr/bin/korgac --miniicon korganizer" running.

If I (single-)left-click that icon, a window with the title "Calendar - <No 
filter> - KOrganizer" appears, as does a korganizer process.  If I close the 
window with the close button in the window decorations OR the File -> Quit 
action, it and the korganizer process go away.  The system tray icon stays 
present the entire time.

While I was aware that the window and tray icon where separate applications 
prior to this, I can see how a user might confuse that issue -- they "feel" 
like KMail and its tray icon, Kaffeine and its tray icon, etc.  (KMix, KGpg, 
Pidgin, KWalletManager, aKregator, and KTorrent are other with the same feel 
on my system.)

I would be nice if the KDE 4 version of korgac and korganizer were tied 
together in a similar manner, although I think there is a even more intuitive 
way to do it: korgac would have no UI and simply use the notification system 
to do any alerts.  Your preferred calendaring application (korganizer if 
nothing else is set) would be opened by the Digital Clock widget: Double-click 
the widget for a default view.  Single-click still pops out a desk calender.  
Double-click the "title bar" of that calender to get the default view.  
Double-click a day to get a day view of that day.  Double-click a week number 
to get a week view of that week.  Double-click the days-of-the-week bar to get 
a month view of that month.  Of course, this is on top of the existing 
integration where days with events are highlighted/circled and exposed via an 
API so the various clocks (or other widgets or applications) can do it and 
similar things consistently.

For those without any clock widget, well they can spare the panel/activity 
space for a KOrganizer button.
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