[kde-linux] Another KDE 4.x print problem?
1i5t5.duncan at cox.net
Sun Nov 1 12:34:16 UTC 2009
James Tyrer posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:13:02 -0700 as excerpted:
>> tho seriously improving with each release.
> But, will it. How many bug fix releases will there be in the 4.3
> branch? Or, will it just go to 4.4.0 which means more features not bug
> fixes -- actually new things that are not quite fully baked yet. So,
> there will just be more things to go wrong.
The kde 4.x bumps are on a six-month schedule. The 4.x.y bumps are on a
monthly schedule, so they get to 4.x.4 before the x bumps. They've been
sticking to that reasonably well, tho not absolutely set in stone.
But they *DO* still need the 4.x bumps, because the 4.x.y bumps are
relatively limited -- I believe they can't change UI wording much, for
instance, as they're string frozen for translation purposes. And there's
still enough /big/ things wrong that they *NEED* the 4.x bumps regularly
in ordered to be able to fix a reasonable number of them each time, which
they *HAVE* been doing.
And actually, they do seem to have calmed down on the featuritis somewhat
too, and be focusing to a reasonable extent on fixing the still gaping
holes. 4.4 is badly needed, as fixes are already in for a number of
them, but it's not scheduled until February. 4.3 was the same way, as
was 4.2 and 4.1definitely because 4.0 was basically hacked-up demo apps
around finally frozen core-libraries.
There are yet three major things I disagree with, and one of them I'm
skeptical of but they /might/ pull it off, so two I can honestly say I
fully disagree with at the moment. #1 is the statement that 4.2 was
ready for the normal user -- IOW, release quality. I flat-out disagree
with that entirely. 4.3 isn't even there yet tho it's certainly closer
that 4.2, but 4.2 missed it by about as much as that NASA Mars mission
missed when they screwed up the metric/imperial conversions!
#2 follows from that, and has to do with the fact that they aren't
following thru on the very public promise to keep kde3 supported as long
as it had users, or more in general (that is, disregarding the promise),
keeping the last decently working version, 3.5.9+, fully supported until
the new version can properly replace it. Of course, they say that it
does with 4.2, but as I said, that's a huge difference of opinion there,
as there's no way I would or could ever even attempt to make that claim,
and pretend I still had any integrity at all left. Yes, I DO feel that
strongly about it! But anyway, the fact is that 4.x is seriously broken
in enough areas that it is NOT sufficiently ready for many 3.x users to
make the switch, and while I believe 4.4 will at least be arguable to
change that (IOW, I expect that I could make that claim personally
without losing all respect for my own integrity), I think it'll really
happen, in general, with 4.5. And as long as that's the case, 3.5 should
remain supported, but it's not, and this is my second major point of
The third one, still potential, is that given the kde4 track record so
far, I'm NOT particularly looking forward to the transfer kmail transfer
to akonadi, scheduled for 4.5. In fact, that one thing /alone/ IMO has
the potential to derail the entire 4.5-is-finally-stable-enough-to-switch
The ray of hope, however, is that they /did/ have the good sense not to
try it for 4.4, where only kab, kaddressbook, is supposed to make the
change. Given the kde4 track record so far, and the fact that it seemed
/almost/ ready, I could have seen them /trying/ it. But they aren't.
/Maybe/ they're actually learning that people depend on stuff and they
can't simply ship broken pieces and claim it's ready for normal use. The
kde4 track record so far doesn't give one a lot of hope, but OTOH, the
track record so far would have had them trying to ship it with 4.4, and
they're not, they're actually taking their time a bit, hopefully to get
it right and test it well, and hopefully to ship something that's
actually reasonably mature with 4.5. We'll see on that one. They may
yet surprise me. OTOH, that's what I've been saying since the first 4.0
betas came out, too, and the track record so far is again, one I could
not say I'd be proud of, and keep my own integrity, because IMO it'd be
about as bald-face a lie as that promise of kde3 support as long as there
were users turned out to be.
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