[kde-linux] 20090721KL -- Dolphin And Partitions
jd1008 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 22 14:04:33 UTC 2009
On 07/22/2009 12:03 AM, Bruce MacArthur wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 July 2009 00:11, JD wrote:
>> On 07/21/2009 07:36 PM, Bruce MacArthur wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 21 July 2009 12:40, Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009 17:58:25 Bruce MacArthur wrote:
>>>>> Greetings --
>>>>> My computer has a single hard disk drive -- but many partitions.
>>>>> A couple of those partitions are dedicated to openSUSE 10.2, and
>>>>> the rest are Kubuntu Jaunty (also known as Version 9.04).
>>>>> In the past, I have been able to use (Jaunty) Dolphin to view all
>>>>> partitions -- which meant I could copy files from one distro to
>>>>> the other. I no longer SEEM to have that option. Although I see
>>>>> how to modify the default start-up folder, I see nothing that
>>>>> would seem to help me restore the cross-partition view. So I am
>>>>> blind!!! Can anyone point out the obvious to me? THANKS for your
>>>>> time with this message!!!
>>>> In each distro, do you have fstab mounts for the partitions of the
>>>> other distro?
>>> Hello, Anne --
>>> FIRST, Thank you for a quick and helpful reply.
>>> SECOND, a part of my delay in replying is due to problems that I
>>> created for myself in the process of trying to install a VHS-DVD
>>> player-recorder to use the "TV-AV" aspect of my computer monitor!
>>> I am now back to normal. MEANWHILE, I have been researching the
>>> issue that you have raised for me. I am certain that the answer to
>>> your question is "No." But I am not at all sure quite what I need
>>> to do!
>>> When I try to edit /etc/fstab in openSUSE, I see
>>> /dev/sda2 / /
>>> acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/sda3 /home /home
>>> acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/sda1 swap swap
>>> defaults 0 0 proc /proc /proc
>>> defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys
>>> /sys noauto 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs
>>> noauto 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs
>>> noauto 0 0 devpts /dev/pts
>>> devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto
>>> noauto,user,synch 0 0
>>> The df shows
>>> /dev/sda2 18% /
>>> udev 1% /dev
>>> /dev/sda3 42% /home
>>> Both commands produce radically different output in Jaunty (9.04).
>>> Part of this is obviously due to the partitioning which I did --
>>> but part of it is a combination of other variables (such as
>>> versions, etc.)! For example, edit /etc/fstab produces a LOT of
>>> comment-code, not to mention some really cryptic first-column
>>> device names! Trying to minimize the confusion, let me present its
>>> output as follows. (If the names are important, I will gladly
>>> supply them!)
>>> proc /proc proc
>>> 0 0 /dev/sda6 /
>>> ext3 0 1 /dev/sda11 /home
>>> ext3 0 2 /dev/sda10 /opt
>>> ext3 0 2 /dev/sda7 /root
>>> ext3 0 2 /dev/sda8 /tmp
>>> ext3 0 2 /dev/sda12 /usr
>>> ext3 0 2 /dev/sda9
>>> /var ext3 0 2 /dev/sda1
>>> none swap 0 0 /dev/sda5
>>> none swap 0 0 /dev/scd0
>>> /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto
>>> 0 0
>>> The first column in the preceeding listing is taken from the
>>> comments and seems to be something from "prior to installation".
>>> The third-from-last column is --
>>> relatime,error=remount -ro
>>> The results of the df command are also much more extensive --
>>> /dev/sda6 9% /
>>> tmpfs 0% /lib/init/rw
>>> varrun 1% /var/run
>>> varlock 0% /var/lock
>>> udev 1% /dev
>>> tmpfs 1% /dev/shm
>>> lrm 1% /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-g
>>> /dev/sda11 2% /home
>>> /dev/dsa10 1% /opt
>>> /dev/sda7 4% /root
>>> /dev/sda8 2% /tmp
>>> /dev/sda12 10% /usr
>>> /dev/sda9 5% /var
>>> I really do NOT understand the fact that "tmpfs" appears TWO times
>>> above the "eneric/volatile" entry, but I did not copy this one in
>>> I notice that you mentioned that I should have fstab mounts for the
>>> partitions of EACH distro in the other. This makes excellent good
>>> sense if I am going to be moving things in both directions. I do
>>> not anticipate doing this -- the moves will be entirely from
>>> openSUSE to Jaunty. Can I "get away with" adding openSUSE
>>> partitions to Jaunty's fstab -- or will things effectively blow-up
>>> in my face if I fail to balance the equation?
>>> THANKS for your time and assistance!!!!!
>> I had a similar situation.
>> Part of the problem for you "might" be that the 2 OS'es do not use
>> the same device names for the partitions in question. So, you will
>> need to do some work to be sure (for example - that /dev/sdb3 in one
>> OS is the same as /dev/sdd3 in the other os). What I am trying to
>> point out is that the disk numbering scheme in the two OS'es might
>> not match. So once you are able to identify the device names
>> in both OS'es and map them 1 - 1 correctly, then adding them
>> correctly into both OS'es fstabs should be very trivial.
> Hello, Joe --
> For a short time, Dolphin saw ALL of my partitions, and it was certain
> (to me!) which ones were openSUSE and which were Jaunty. What a
> PLEASANT surprise!!! You have a point in suggesting that those days
> may well be history. I will be observant.
>> So, your devices on jaunty are:
>> /dev/sda6 / ext3 0 1
>> /dev/sda11 /home ext3 0 2
>> /dev/sda10 /opt ext3 0 2
>> /dev/sda7 /root ext3 0 2
>> /dev/sda8 /tmp ext3 0 2
>> /dev/sda12 /usr ext3 0 2
>> /dev/sda9 /var ext3 0 2
>> /dev/sda1 none swap 0 0
>> /dev/sda5 none swap 0 0
>> PS: I do not know how jaunty creates 12 partitions in a Linux disk!
>> Jaunty seems to be using BSD partitioning scheme, no?? If that
>> is the case, your opensuse will probably not be able to mount
>> jaunty's non-standard Linux partitions. Standard Linux kernels
>> simply do not write BSD partitions - even the config menu says
>> it is dangerous to config and build the linux kernel with write
>> support for BSD's UFS partitions.
>> I do know that you could have for example 3 extended partitions
>> and 4 sub-partitions in each extended partition. Perhaps that is
>> what you did - in which case my comment re: BSD UFS does not
> Jaunty did NOT (automatically) create all those partitions! Instead, I
> studied one book about Ubuntu Linux in its discussion of partitioning,
> and tried to set things up well. I think that I have one Primary
> partition for openSUSE and another similar partition for Jaunty. The
> rest are "sub-partitions". Also, be aware that MY openSUSE will never
> need to mount Jaunty partitions -- only the reverse is needed. To the
> best of my knowledge, "BSD partitions" (thankfully!!!) have nothing to
> do with this installation.
>> Your devices on opensuse are:
>> /dev/sda2 / / acl,user_xattr 1 1
>> /dev/sda3 /home /home acl,user_xattr 1 2
>> /dev/sda1 swap swap defaults 0 0
>> Now, which devices do you wish to be visible to both OS'es??
> I think that I need sda2 and sda3 visible to both. openSUSE needs them
> to run at all, and Jaunty needs them to bring some data over to the
> Jaunty installation. NOTHING that is presently Jaunty-only needs to be
> visible to openSUSE.
>> Also, in each OS, issue the command
>> fdisk -l /dev/sd
>> for all disks visible to the OS. Look in /dev to see how
>> many sd devices there are. Save the outputs
>> and label them so a reader will know which OS the command
>> was run on.
> In openSUSE, I tried running this command, both as myself and as sudo.
> Both times I was told "fdisk: command not found". Obviously I need to
> do some research -- unless this is just more of the reason for my move
> away from openSUSE. Please understand that I am not "mad" at SUSE, but
> I am very perturbed about my own installation )which was done by a
> store's personnel)!
> Also, searching for the file yielded one "fdisk" in "sbin/". It has
> some 86,352 bytes, and is "Read Only", NOT executable!
> In Kubuntu Jaunty my results were dramatically different, like this --
> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x000dcd1b
> Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System
> /dev/sda1 1 131 1052226 82 Linux
> swap / Solaris
> /dev/sda2 132 2742 20972857+ 83 Linux
> /dev/sda3 2743 16428 109932795 83 Linux
> /dev/sda4 16429 30401 112238122+ 5 Extended
> /dev/sda5 16429 16793 2931831 82 Linux swap /
> /dev/sda6 16794 17158 2931831 83 Linux
> /dev/sda7 17159 17766 4883728+ 83 Linux
> /dev/sda8 17767 18982 9767488+ 83 Linux
> /dev/sda9 18983 20198 9767488+ 83 Linux
> /dev/sda10 20199 22630 19535008+ 83 Linux
> /dev/sda11 22631 26277 29294496 83 Linux
> /dev/sda12 26278 30401 33125998+ 83 Linux
>> This will help identify which disks have same partitioning scheme
>> and partition types, ..etc.
> What I show above is PERFECTLY consistent with what I was previously
> seeing in Dolphin -- but Dolphin is not yet seeing things this way
> again! And my immediate goal is to have Dolphin see this again.
> THANK YOU, Joe, for your time with this and for any additional insights
> or directions you can give me -- they are MOST appreciated!!!
OK, So on Jaunty you only have sda . Fine.
On Opensuse, you were not able to run fdisk because it is not
executable. So, do this to make it executable:
sudo chmod 755 /sbin/fdisk
for every /dev/sdX where X is a, b, c, d ...etc, run
/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdx
So, that aside, one thing is still not clear:
is your meachine a dual boot machine? or you simply have
two machines? I was proceeding on the premise that you
have a dual boot machine, which might not be what you have.
If you have two machines, then you have two choices
for exposing opensuses's disks to jaunty:
1. On Opensuse:
export them via NFS.
So to export, you need to do this on opensuse:
sudo exportfs /home (for exmple).
On Jaunty, you mount opensuse's exported partition like this:
sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.bla.bla:/home -o w /mnt/home
Of course /mnt/home has to exsit as a directory on jaunty.
2. use samba to advertise the mounted partitions on opensuse and
mount them as cifs type partitions on jaunty. This is a more
involved process requiring you to edit the smb.conf file and
restarting themb and nmb services. There may be a gui tool
for configuring samba exports (or shares, as they are called).
I do not know if jaunty is similar to fedora, so how you mount
them on jaunty will be something like
mount -t cifs //192.168.bla.bla/SOME-NAME /mnt/some-dir-name
or it could be
smbmount //192.168.bla.bla/SOME-NAME /mnt/some-dir-name
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