[Kde-games-devel] KDEGames mukt.in 2008 presentation

[Inge Wallin]

On Thursday 24 July 2008 17:33:39 Eugene Trounev wrote:
> That someone was me :)
> And I apologise if it hurt you back then.

Apology accepted!  :-)

But try to be less negative of other people's work in the future, ok?

> But just out of curiocity - why didn't you try to find someone with some
> art skills back then? This way you wouldn't have to try "to resemble the
> green felt of a real Reversi board" :)

Two reasons:
1. I *wanted* the game to look like a real Reversi board.  True, it could have 
been better, but I didn't have very much time to put on it since I was also 
involved in KOffice.

2. Finding someone with art skills is much easier now than it was back then.  
Besides, you could ask yourself why you didn't volunteer to improve the 
graphics of the KDE3 games.

I have always been much more interested in making the games playable and 
enjoyable than them looking good *per se*.  I am very well aware that those 
goals are not opposing, and the really good games are both good looking and 
have a good playability.

This is also the reason why I harped so much about e.g. KLines and the way it 
looked before: nice, but difficult to make out and see the colors. It may 
also have to do with the fact that I'm slightly red-green color blind. :-)

	-Inge


>
> Eugene [it-s]
>
> On Thursday 24 July 2008 10:52:06 Inge Wallin wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 23:35:33 Mauricio Piacentini wrote:
> > > > Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > > Well, you asked for it :)
> > >
> > > While the slides are good, the notes in general have a somehow negative
> > > depiction of the games shipped with KDE2 and KDE3. While it is true
> > > that the new games use newer (and arguably better) technology,
> > > specially in the graphics department, I don't think the main point to
> > > be covered is the KDE3-games-were-bad-and-now-they-rock one, as this is
> > > debatable.
> >
> > This is nothing new...  I think it was at Akademy in Glasgow last year,
> > but could have been already in Dublin, since the games were shaping up
> > pretty early compared to other KDE4 applications.
> >
> > I was finished with something I had to do, and walked in to a talk about
> > the games.  Interestingly enough the speaker was just talking about
> > KReversi, my old application that I maintained for KDE3 at that time, and
> > showing off some of the new features (scalability, theming) for the
> > coming KDE4.  Cool!
> >
> > But then he continued with showing a screenshot of KReversi from KDE3
> > with it's green background where I had tried to resemble the green felt
> > of a real Reversi board.  And said something close to "... and compare
> > this with the KReversi from KDE3!  Who would ever want to play something
> > like that?!" I kept my mouth shut at that time, but I can tell you that I
> > lost a lot of my drive to work on the games at that point.
> >
> > 	-Inge
> >
> > PS.
> > I had also made sure that the code was *very* clear, so that's not really
> > an argument for the KDE4 versions, even if I have to admit that they in
> > general look much better -- including KReversi.
> >
> > > KMahjongg for example has basically the same 10 year old code in its
> > > guts, and the facelift only rejuvenated it. So it is an evolution, and
> > > not a complete revolution. Previous releases deserve nothing but our
> > > full respect :)
> > > I think the speaker should try to present the evolution of the games as
> > > a natural process and a result of having a bigger team, which is
> > > building new stuff and standing over the shoulders of the previous
> > > releases. But on the whole it is a nice presentation, and summarizes
> > > some of the changes between 3 and 4 very well. It is just a matter of
> > > how to present it, I guess.
> > > Good job, Eugene!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mauricio Piacentini
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