[Kde-extra-gear] Hello and let's start to bugging everyone with proposals :-)

[Christian Hubinger]

Hi!

First i'd like to say hello Helio - and thanks to Klaas for the work 
he's done for KDE &. KEG

Helio Chissini de Castro wrote:

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>1 - CRITICAL ONE - About keg modules new layout
>Recent thread suggests a new way to divide keg modules. One of most appreciate 
>sugestions is move keg-1,2,3 to keg-multimedia, keg-utilities, etc..
>First valid point of Klas is this will make keg looks like an alternative KDE 
>modules, and people start to package this modules and complain about have 5 
>image apps, 4 mm players, etc, and break the original idea of keg
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No one says that a distribution should package this as on big meta 
package - isn't it the meaning of keg that apps a re independent and not 
part iof a (nmulti app) package like kdebase is?
I don't  event think that people will consider it as an "alernative KDE 
module" - i think the definition of KEG is very clear in that point.

>The point is, i like this idea, and i think is very difficult for catch apps 
>searching keg-1,2,3, and with this system a guy that was looking for an 
>alternative mm player easily will find it. But Klas have a strong point and i 
>think this will looks like a kde module replacement, which leads a confusion 
>and is exactly what we don't want.
>Let's just add one more variable on the equations which is if we start to get 
>more and more apps on keg ( and that's exactly what we want ), easier we will 
>reach keg-1,2,3,4,5,6,7..... imagine the nightmare, for everyone from the guy 
>want's to pick up some tool to the maintainer ( actually me ) to find where 
>the app is to fix the buildsystem ( or do you expect i have all things on my 
>mind :-) 
>So, this is time to everyone reflects and let's try to get a consensus, and 
>after, if was valid, let's move the decision, or the state of discussion to 
>main devel lists.
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Well I personally think that a keg-multimedia, -utils etc. layout would 
be a good idea for the simply reason that keg-1,2 .. isn't saing 
anything about the apps in it.
Splitting that stuff in categories would clear up the point if I (the 
user) will find what i'm looking for in the module. To be honest i was 
never really happy with the 1,2,3 stuff but as i didn't do any 
administartive work i didn't complain about that before.

>2 - Please have mercy of packagers :-)
>Well, everyone knows that proposit of keg is just a place for apps, and apps 
>maintainers edcide when release ( or not ) launch their apps, not tied to KDE 
>releases at all.
>well, this is good, but this is bad from the point of distributions. Good or 
>not, the first point of visibility for all our apps comes with a 
>distribution, whatever they are. And people moves more of their attention for 
>KDE and their apps ( hint, hint: even keg apps ) on the KDE releases,so, i 
>have a simple and usefull proposal:
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>Create a keg_release_branch !
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sounds good to me - i'm no CVS guru so no idea if that works with 
creating a branche but the idea is good.

greeitngs,
chris

>So, let's two of major decision to decide.
>Remember, after all this we even can stay with current buildsystem, so this 
>still in the proposal mode.
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>Depending on which way things go, i have an addendum for both proposals, since 
>the decisions could lead a important new things.
>
>Thanks for take time and read my long and starnge english mail and hope 
>someone understand my points :-)
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>[]'s
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