Aleix Pol aleixpol at kde.org
Sun May 13 22:21:51 UTC 2012

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Laszlo Papp <lpapp at kde.org> wrote:
>> Sorry Laszlo but you are wrong, kde-runtime is a runtime dependency for all
>> kde applications as of now.
> Like I wrote: I understand that it is fine for certain group, but not
> for everybody. I would like to claim that again I am happy about
> Sebastian's work since there is a new and useful frontend coming!
> Kudos from here.
> I would also like to give some practical examples about that none of
> the KDE projects, I have worked on so far, depended on kde-runtime.
> Just to give some examples:
> 1) Gluon Creator (desktop)
> 2) Gluon Player (desktop, fremantle, harmattan)
> 3) Gluon Viewer (desktop, kde version)
> 4) Mula (Desktop, Multiple Language dictionary - playground/edu)
> 5) Conservatory (now in scratch repository)
> 6) libqgit back then (no UI frontend, but if I wrote that, Plasma
> Components would be a dependency)
> 7) open al library back then (no UI frontend, but if I wrote that,
> Plasma Components would be a dependency)
> I also know other applications, like kpaste and so forth. These all
> depend on kdelibs maximum, if any. The situation is more intrusive on
> mobile with Plasma Components (not on all platforms obviously, like
> Plasma Active) since you unnecessarily increase the already huge sizes
> while putting to App Stores because of the hard-coded kde ui for KDE4
> and so forth. :(
> I have been making experiments with the Qt Desktop Components lately,
> and as for me, it is a smaller dependency than the kde-runtime stack,
> if I do not need that for any reasons. There have been some commits
> incoming recently, so I am more than optimist:
> https://qt.gitorious.org/qtplayground/qtdesktopcomponents
> Luckily enough, frameworks might help a lot with the footprint in
> general. At any rate, thank you for your reply.
> Best Regards,
> Laszlo Papp
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The Oxygen Style is in kde runtime, without it your apps would look
like crap on a default KDE installation.

Also the Qt Desktop Components are not ready yet, I don't think we can
consider it an option, on the other hand Plasma Components are. They
don't integrate well with KDE applications but it's still a tool we
can use accordingly.

I don't think the possibility to use Desktop Components some day is
reason enough to discourage someone trying to improve one of our


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