"Gardening" old bugreports

[Carl Schwan]

Please exclude from the bug report reminder:

koko
tokodon
kalendar
kde.org
planet.kde.org
www.kde.org
season.kde.org
KDE Mediawiki
and any bug reported by myself

as well as the following projects for the MR reminder:

koko
tokodon
kalendar
arianna
vail
arkade
basically everything in the websites namespace
and any MR created by myself

I'm getting already way too many emails and I have an hard time keeping up
with them so if I can avoid getting more of them, that would be good.

Cheers,
Carl

------- Original Message -------
Le vendredi 27 janvier 2023 à 10:56 PM, Justin Zobel <justin.zobel at gmail.com> a écrit :


> Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
> 
> Given the distribution of positive vs negative feedback, we plan to
> resume automatic bug triage of old non-wishlist bugs that have not
> been updated in over 2 years. If you would like to opt your product
> out of this initiative because you're able to keep on top of the
> manual bug triage work, please let us know and we'll be happy to
> accommodate you.
> 
> Exclusions so far:
> - okteta
> - krita
> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
> 
> Thanks again for the feedback!
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:10 PM Thomas Baumgart thb at net-bembel.de wrote:
> 
> > On Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 22:39:45 CET Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2023, 12:26:08 CET schrieb Nicolas Fella:
> > > 
> > > > Am 19.01.23 um 04:04 schrieb Justin:
> > > > 
> > > > > The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still
> > > > > relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if
> > > > > they are still valid. This increases community involvement and helps
> > > > > KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the
> > > > > thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in years.
> > > > 
> > > > Anecdotally many people don't like such automated changes being done to
> > > > their bugreports that don't actually engage with the content of the report.
> > > 
> > > Well, anecdotally you will mostly get feedback from people who don't like it.
> > > Unless something is exceptionally great, few people will take the time to
> > > speak out in favor of something that is already happening.
> > > 
> > > > > The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had any
> > > > > activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to reinvigorate
> > > > > discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If the user
> > > > > does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug is set to
> > > > > NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug Janitor.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not
> > > > > applied.
> > > > 
> > > > Properly "triaging" old reports requires at least some level of
> > > > understanding of the project, codebase etc. I'm afraid there is no
> > > > simple solution to that and rule-based approaches aren't good enough.
> > > > Even taking things like CONFIRMED status or wishlist priority into
> > > > account assumes that these have actually been consistently applied.
> > > 
> > > As a maintainer on a small project, I'm quite happy to get an occasional nudge
> > > on old reports. Yes, I do occasionally go over old reports to see if they are
> > > still valid, but having somebody else doing this methodically makes sure I
> > > don't gloss over some bug that could be closed or fixed.
> > > 
> > > Having this done by someone else without too much internal knowledge is an
> > > absolute plus in my opinion. After all, if you want to clean up your attic,
> > > you try to find a helper who does not have the same emotional attachment as
> > > yourself.
> > > 
> > > > > I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it
> > > > > is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need to
> > > > > entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is clearly
> > > > > not a priority right now for the majority.
> > > 
> > > Speaking for KPhotoAlbum, I really appreciate the bugzilla gardening. Thank
> > > you for doing it!
> > 
> > I can second that for the KMyMoney project. An occasional poke and the
> > automated cleanup when no response arrives where it is needed helps a lot.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Thomas Baumgart
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > With every day I come closer to the grave and learn something new.
> > It all happens because I have wandered around too much and stumbled into
> > the Linux world - which is a fantastic place to be! (Algis Kabaila †)
> > -------------------------------------------------------------