"Gardening" old bugreports

[Nate Graham]

We can turn it off for bugs reported by you, but I'm not sure "I'm 
getting too many emails" is a good reason to turn it off for whole 
products. These products aren't owned by you; they're community property 
and it's important for them to get triaged for the benefit of everyone. 
Nobody wins when Bugzilla fails to reflect an accurate state of reality.

If those products are being actively triaged by you or someone else, 
that's a good reason. But if they're not, and stale bug reports and 
merge requests are piling up, that's a problem that needs to be fixed, 
and ignoring emails or preventing the Gardening team from doing part of 
their job isn't going to fix it.

Nate


On 1/29/23 02:23, Carl Schwan wrote:
> Please exclude from the bug report reminder:
> 
> koko
> tokodon
> kalendar
> kde.org
> planet.kde.org
> www.kde.org
> season.kde.org
> KDE Mediawiki
> and any bug reported by myself
> 
> as well as the following projects for the MR reminder:
> 
> koko
> tokodon
> kalendar
> arianna
> vail
> arkade
> basically everything in the websites namespace
> and any MR created by myself
> 
> I'm getting already way too many emails and I have an hard time keeping up
> with them so if I can avoid getting more of them, that would be good.
> 
> Cheers,
> Carl
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> Le vendredi 27 janvier 2023 à 10:56 PM, Justin Zobel <justin.zobel at gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> 
>> Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
>>
>> Given the distribution of positive vs negative feedback, we plan to
>> resume automatic bug triage of old non-wishlist bugs that have not
>> been updated in over 2 years. If you would like to opt your product
>> out of this initiative because you're able to keep on top of the
>> manual bug triage work, please let us know and we'll be happy to
>> accommodate you.
>>
>> Exclusions so far:
>> - okteta
>> - krita
>> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
>>
>> Thanks again for the feedback!
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:10 PM Thomas Baumgart thb at net-bembel.de wrote:
>>
>>> On Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 22:39:45 CET Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Am Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2023, 12:26:08 CET schrieb Nicolas Fella:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 19.01.23 um 04:04 schrieb Justin:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still
>>>>>> relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if
>>>>>> they are still valid. This increases community involvement and helps
>>>>>> KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the
>>>>>> thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anecdotally many people don't like such automated changes being done to
>>>>> their bugreports that don't actually engage with the content of the report.
>>>>
>>>> Well, anecdotally you will mostly get feedback from people who don't like it.
>>>> Unless something is exceptionally great, few people will take the time to
>>>> speak out in favor of something that is already happening.
>>>>
>>>>>> The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had any
>>>>>> activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to reinvigorate
>>>>>> discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If the user
>>>>>> does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug is set to
>>>>>> NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug Janitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not
>>>>>> applied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Properly "triaging" old reports requires at least some level of
>>>>> understanding of the project, codebase etc. I'm afraid there is no
>>>>> simple solution to that and rule-based approaches aren't good enough.
>>>>> Even taking things like CONFIRMED status or wishlist priority into
>>>>> account assumes that these have actually been consistently applied.
>>>>
>>>> As a maintainer on a small project, I'm quite happy to get an occasional nudge
>>>> on old reports. Yes, I do occasionally go over old reports to see if they are
>>>> still valid, but having somebody else doing this methodically makes sure I
>>>> don't gloss over some bug that could be closed or fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Having this done by someone else without too much internal knowledge is an
>>>> absolute plus in my opinion. After all, if you want to clean up your attic,
>>>> you try to find a helper who does not have the same emotional attachment as
>>>> yourself.
>>>>
>>>>>> I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it
>>>>>> is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need to
>>>>>> entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is clearly
>>>>>> not a priority right now for the majority.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking for KPhotoAlbum, I really appreciate the bugzilla gardening. Thank
>>>> you for doing it!
>>>
>>> I can second that for the KMyMoney project. An occasional poke and the
>>> automated cleanup when no response arrives where it is needed helps a lot.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Thomas Baumgart
>>>
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>>> It all happens because I have wandered around too much and stumbled into
>>> the Linux world - which is a fantastic place to be! (Algis Kabaila †)
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