"Gardening" old bugreports

[Juraj Oravec]

Hello, 

> Just to clarify, should we just exclude Falkon from bug report
> gardening or also from merge request gardening too?
> 
> Merge request gardening is pinging MRs with no activity for 30 days,
> then closing if there is no response even two months after the ping
> message.

Good idea, I would also exclude Falkon from MR-Bot.

Thank you,
Juraj.


> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 1:18 PM Justin <justin.zobel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Juraj,
> > 
> > Of course we are happy to exclude Falkon from the list.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Justin
> > 
> > On 28/1/23 23:45, Juraj Oravec wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > >> Exclusions so far:
> > >> - okteta
> > >> - krita
> > >> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks again for the feedback!
> > > 
> > > Can you also add Falkon to the exclusion list?
> > > There are not that many bugs nor people working on it and at the
> > > moment it is easy to browse the bugs.
> > > 
> > > Also I do not know if this was discussed, but some info message on
> > > the bugzilla would be nice, if this project is managed by this
> > > BugBot or not.
> > > 
> > > Thank you for the help.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Juraj.
> > > 
> > > On piatok 27. januára 2023 22:56:09 CET Justin Zobel wrote:
> > >> Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
> > >> 
> > >> Given the distribution of positive vs negative feedback, we plan
> > >> to
> > >> resume automatic bug triage of old non-wishlist bugs that have
> > >> not
> > >> been updated in over 2 years. If you would like to opt your
> > >> product
> > >> out of this initiative because you're able to keep on top of the
> > >> manual bug triage work, please let us know and we'll be happy to
> > >> accommodate you.
> > >> 
> > >> Exclusions so far:
> > >> - okteta
> > >> - krita
> > >> - any bug reported by sitter at kde.org
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks again for the feedback!
> > >> 
> > >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:10 PM Thomas Baumgart
> > >> <thb at net-bembel.de>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >>> On Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 22:39:45 CET Johannes Zarl-Zierl
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Am Donnerstag, 19. Jänner 2023, 12:26:08 CET schrieb Nicolas
> > > 
> > > Fella:
> > >>>>> Am 19.01.23 um 04:04 schrieb Justin:
> > >>>>>> The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are
> > >>>>>> still
> > >>>>>> relevant by involving the users who reported them in
> > >>>>>> determining if
> > >>>>>> they are still valid. This increases community involvement
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>> helps
> > >>>>>> KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in
> > >>>>>> years.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Anecdotally many people don't like such automated changes
> > >>>>> being
> > >>>>> done to their bugreports that don't actually engage with the
> > >>>>> content of the report.> >
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Well, anecdotally you will mostly get feedback from people who
> > >>>> don't like it. Unless something is exceptionally great, few
> > >>>> people will take the time to speak out in favor of something
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> is already happening.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>> The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not
> > >>>>>> had any
> > >>>>>> activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to
> > >>>>>> reinvigorate
> > >>>>>> discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If
> > >>>>>> the user
> > >>>>>> does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug
> > >>>>>> is set to NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug
> > >>>>>> Janitor.
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care
> > >>>>>> is not
> > >>>>>> applied.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Properly "triaging" old reports requires at least some level
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> understanding of the project, codebase etc. I'm afraid there
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>> no
> > >>>>> simple solution to that and rule-based approaches aren't good
> > >>>>> enough.
> > >>>>> Even taking things like CONFIRMED status or wishlist priority
> > >>>>> into
> > >>>>> account assumes that these have actually been consistently
> > >>>>> applied.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> As a maintainer on a small project, I'm quite happy to get an
> > >>>> occasional nudge on old reports. Yes, I do occasionally go over
> > >>>> old reports to see if they are still valid, but having somebody
> > >>>> else doing this methodically makes sure I don't gloss over some
> > >>>> bug that could be closed or fixed.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Having this done by someone else without too much internal
> > >>>> knowledge is an absolute plus in my opinion. After all, if you
> > >>>> want to clean up your attic, you try to find a helper who does
> > >>>> not have the same emotional attachment as yourself.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>> I will halt it until it is approved by more developers.
> > >>>>>> However if it
> > >>>>>> is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will
> > >>>>>> need to
> > >>>>>> entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is
> > >>>>>> clearly
> > >>>>>> not a priority right now for the majority.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Speaking for KPhotoAlbum, I really appreciate the bugzilla
> > >>>> gardening. Thank you for doing it!
> > >>> 
> > >>> I can second that for the KMyMoney project. An occasional poke
> > >>> and
> > >>> the automated cleanup when no response arrives where it is
> > >>> needed
> > >>> helps a lot.
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> --
> > >>> 
> > >>> Regards
> > >>> 
> > >>> Thomas Baumgart
> > >>> 
> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> With every day I come closer to the grave and learn something
> > >>> new.
> > >>> It all happens because I have wandered around too much and
> > >>> stumbled
> > >>> into the Linux world - which is a fantastic place to be! (Algis
> > >>> Kabaila †)
> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------
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