Registration

[Ben Cooksley]

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:04 AM <belaz at tuta.io> wrote:

> I'm waiting for an answer, mr. sysadmin. If you accuse me of bad conduct,
> account for it and explain your accusations.
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> I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service
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> 17 янв. 2023 г., 20:06 От belaz at tuta.io:
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> What backend provider is that? And for what reason did it list my email?
>
> For security reasons I won't be disclosing our backend provider for this
information.
I can confirm that they do not provide any information regarding why an
entry was listed though.

> "I've also set the moderation flag on them for this mailing list" - and
> what does your moderation flag mean?
>
> It means your messages will be held for moderator approval prior to being
accepted.
As other members of the community have noted, the tone of your messages
isn't particularly appreciated by others.

> "it is very common for VPN providers and services like Tor to be blocked
> from registering" - that is a lie. I've registered on many forums through a
> VPN and never been blocked.
>
> Different sites have different policies.


> "it is not the first time i've seen conduct like this (have seen far worse
> actually)". Excuse me? What "bad conduct" are we talking about here? Point
> to just one place in my letters where I attacked anyone personally.
> "directed at Sysadmin" - another lie. In order to attack a sysadmin
> personally, you at least need to know who that sysadmin is, which I
> obviously didn't.
>
>
The tone of your messages is rather abrasive which others in our community
have confirmed (see Konstantin's response for one) and also contains
insults.

So what I see from your side is insinuations and lies (including a couple
> of trolls earlier), which truly is a bad conduct. I didn't attack you in
> any way, so be so kind to explain this gratuitious aggression.
>
>
Regards,
Ben Cooksley
KDE Sysadmin


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> I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service
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> 17 янв. 2023 г., 12:01 От bcooksley at kde.org:
>
> I have checked the backend provider we use to determine if someone is a
> spammer.
> The email address of the person trying to register here was listed by that
> provider back in November 2022.
>
> The action of KDE Identity in this instance was therefore correct and
> given their conduct I'm not going to be manually overriding it in this
> instance.
> I've also set the moderation flag on them for this mailing list.
>
> For the record, due to the amount of abuse that they're utilised for, it
> is very common for VPN providers and services like Tor to be blocked from
> registering.
>
> With regards to the conduct of this person, it is not the first time i've
> seen conduct like this (have seen far worse actually) directed at Sysadmin
> or the services we operate (for those wondering)
>
> Thanks,
> Ben Cooksley
> KDE Sysadmin
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:36 PM Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel at yandex.ru>
> wrote:
>
> Indeed, given web sites are usually maintained by system administrators
> and that there's also a "sysadmin" KDE mailing list, I have no idea what
> are you doing here.
>
> With that said, I'm not sure you will get any help at all after the amount
> of insults you've done. I see someone elsewhere in the discussion even
> started to troll you, I don't think that is a good reaction either.
>
> Anyway, in terms of future advice: please apply Hanlon's Razor, it is most
> often correct, i.e. no one attempted to attribute malice to you. People
> make mistakes (like the one with the site), which Hanlon's razor describes
> as well.
>
> Also, vast majority of KDE contributors aren't funded (and I'm sure no one
> by you specifically), so nobody has obligations to you.
>
> Try to understand that and try to be calmer the next time you attempt to
> collaborate with any project, be it KDE or something else. If anything,
> insulting maintainers of a project you're interested in just impacts moral
> resources of its maintainers, hence impacts you specifically as a user of
> that project, as it may make maintainer procrastinate due to stress the
> project just brought thanks to you.
>
> For example, there's one big project I'm not gonna name for translating
> API calls to analogous ones on other systems. It's hard to contribute to
> for an outsider, which I experienced twice, I currently have a patch
> addressing serious usability problem that no amount of pinging makes to
> either merge or at least to review. It's just ignored. That annoys me, but
> do I insult them? Of course no, it is an active project (mostly due to paid
> developers) which I'm using, so what good would insulting them do? Nothing.
>
> On Mon, 2023-01-16 at 22:36 +0100, belaz at tuta.io wrote:
>
> Who could I refer to in the developers' mailing list? Hmm, let me ponder
> this question, it's so complicated...
>
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> I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service
>
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> 16 янв. 2023 г., 16:24 От nmariusp1 at gmail.com:
>
> Hello,
>
> When you say "Did you design this thing in such way that a VPN user is
> considered a spammer?"
> who do you think this "you" person or group of persons is?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 11:13 AM <belaz at tuta.io> wrote:
>
> I've filled the captcha properly and I'm using a VPN. Did you design this
> thing in such way that a VPN user is considered a spammer? Really?
>
> --
> I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service
>
>
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> 16 янв. 2023 г., 12:03 От bcooksley at kde.org:
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:58 PM <belaz at tuta.io> wrote:
>
> Hello there!
> I've just tried to register on your KDE Identity thing. I did everything
> properly and saw "Client rejected by automatic spammer detection system".
> What is that shit supposed to mean? I'm not a spammer.
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> This usually means that you haven't completed the Google reCAPTCHA on the
> registration page, or there was something wrong with your details.
>
> Can you confirm that you have completed the CAPTCHA?
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
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