<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:04 AM <<a href="mailto:belaz@tuta.io">belaz@tuta.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>I'm waiting for an answer, mr. sysadmin. If you accuse me of bad conduct, account for it and explain your accusations.</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>17 янв. 2023 г., 20:06 От <a href="mailto:belaz@tuta.io" target="_blank">belaz@tuta.io</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div>What backend provider is that? And for what reason did it list my email?<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>For security reasons I won't be disclosing our backend provider for this information.</div><div>I can confirm that they do not provide any information regarding why an entry was listed though.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div></div><div dir="auto">"I've also set the moderation flag on them for this mailing list" - and what does your moderation flag mean?<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>It means your messages will be held for moderator approval prior to being accepted.</div><div>As other members of the community have noted, the tone of your messages isn't particularly appreciated by others.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="auto"></div><div>"it is very common for VPN providers and services like Tor to be blocked from registering" - that is a lie. I've registered on many forums through a VPN and never been blocked.<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>Different sites have different policies. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div></div><div dir="auto">"it is not the first time i've seen conduct like this (have seen far worse actually)". Excuse me? What "bad conduct" are we talking about here? Point to just one place in my letters where I attacked anyone personally.<br></div><div dir="auto">"directed at Sysadmin" - another lie. In order to attack a sysadmin personally, you at least need to know who that sysadmin is, which I obviously didn't.<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The tone of your messages is rather abrasive which others in our community have confirmed (see <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">Konstantin's response for one) and also contains insults.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">So what I see from your side is insinuations and lies (including a couple of trolls earlier), which truly is a bad conduct. I didn't attack you in any way, so be so kind to explain this gratuitious aggression.<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Ben Cooksley</div><div>KDE Sysadmin</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="auto"></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>17 янв. 2023 г., 12:01 От <a href="mailto:bcooksley@kde.org" target="_blank">bcooksley@kde.org</a>:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(147,163,184);padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px"><div dir="ltr"><div>I have checked the backend provider we use to determine if someone is a spammer.<br></div><div>The email address of the person trying to register here was listed by that provider back in November 2022.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The action of KDE Identity in this instance was therefore correct and given their conduct I'm not going to be manually overriding it in this instance.<br></div><div>I've also set the moderation flag on them for this mailing list.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For the record, due to the amount of abuse that they're utilised for, it is very common for VPN providers and services like Tor to be blocked from registering.<br></div><div><br></div><div>With regards to the conduct of this person, it is not the first time i've seen conduct like this (have seen far worse actually) directed at Sysadmin or the services we operate (for those wondering)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Ben Cooksley<br></div><div>KDE Sysadmin<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:36 PM Konstantin Kharlamov <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:hi-angel@yandex.ru" target="_blank">hi-angel@yandex.ru</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Indeed, given web sites are usually maintained by system administrators and that there's also a "sysadmin" KDE mailing list, I have no idea what are you doing here.<br></div><div><br></div><div>With that said, I'm not sure you will get any help at all after the amount of insults you've done. I see someone elsewhere in the discussion even started to troll you, I don't think that is a good reaction either.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, in terms of future advice: please apply Hanlon's Razor, it is most often correct, i.e. no one attempted to attribute malice to you. People make mistakes (like the one with the site), which Hanlon's razor describes as well.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also, vast majority of KDE contributors aren't funded (and I'm sure no one by you specifically), so nobody has obligations to you.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Try to understand that and try to be calmer the next time you attempt to collaborate with any project, be it KDE or something else. If anything, insulting maintainers of a project you're interested in just impacts moral resources of its maintainers, hence impacts you specifically as a user of that project, as it may make maintainer procrastinate due to stress the project just brought thanks to you.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For example, there's one big project I'm not gonna name for translating API calls to analogous ones on other systems. It's hard to contribute to for an outsider, which I experienced twice, I currently have a patch addressing serious usability problem that no amount of pinging makes to either merge or at least to review. It's just ignored. That annoys me, but do I insult them? Of course no, it is an active project (mostly due to paid developers) which I'm using, so what good would insulting them do? Nothing.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, 2023-01-16 at 22:36 +0100, <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:belaz@tuta.io" target="_blank">belaz@tuta.io</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div>Who could I refer to in the developers' mailing list? Hmm, let me ponder this question, it's so complicated...<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>16 янв. 2023 г., 16:24 От <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:nmariusp1@gmail.com" target="_blank">nmariusp1@gmail.com</a>:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,<br></div><div><br></div><div>When you say "Did you design this thing in such way that a VPN user is considered a spammer?"<br></div><div>who do you think this "you" person or group of persons is?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 11:13 AM <<a href="mailto:belaz@tuta.io" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">belaz@tuta.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>I've filled the captcha properly and I'm using a VPN. Did you design this thing in such way that a VPN user is considered a spammer? Really?<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>I'm using Tutanota - the end-to-end encrypted email service<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>16 янв. 2023 г., 12:03 От <a href="mailto:bcooksley@kde.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bcooksley@kde.org</a>:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:58 PM <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:belaz@tuta.io" target="_blank">belaz@tuta.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hello there!<br></div><div dir="auto">I've just tried to register on your KDE Identity thing. I did everything properly and saw "<span style="color:rgb(185,74,72);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(242,222,222);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span><span><span><span><span style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:14px">Client rejected by automatic spammer detection system</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>". What is that shit supposed to mean? I'm not a spammer.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi there,<br></div><div><br></div><div>This usually means that you haven't completed the Google reCAPTCHA on the registration page, or there was something wrong with your details.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Can you confirm that you have completed the CAPTCHA?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Ben<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:2px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span></span><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div> </div>
</blockquote></div></div>