Muon and kde-gtk-config moved to kde/workspace - was - Re: Moving repositories in the module structure

[Aleix Pol]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:

> El Divendres, 3 d'octubre de 2014, a les 03:28:44, Aleix Pol va escriure:
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
> > > El Divendres, 3 d'octubre de 2014, a les 00:04:42, Aleix Pol va
> escriure:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Ben Cooksley <bcooksley at kde.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems there has been a recent outbreak of repository moves which
> > > > > have been extremely poorly co-ordinated by those doing the
> requests.
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition, it is actually a requirement that modules moving from
> > > > > Extragear into (what was at least) the SC need to re-transit
> through
> > > > > KDE Review.It is also considered proper practice to at least inform
> > > > > the translation, documentation and release  teams in advance you
> > > > > intend to make these moves - something which has also been
> neglected.
> > > > >
> > > > > For all further repository structure moves - please ensure you have
> > > > > received the appropriate consent from the above mentioned teams,
> and
> > > > > have announced them on the appropriate mailing lists in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > @Plasma team: plasma-devel at kde.org does not constitute an
> appropriate
> > > > > mailing list, as it is not a community wide development mailing
> list.
> > > > > Only kde-devel and kde-core-devel qualify for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ben Cooksley
> > > > > KDE Sysadmin
> > > >
> > > > My apologies, I shouldn't have rushed into doing such moves and send
> > > > e-mails to all the interested parties.
> > > >
> > > > If someone considers it appropriate, I can roll some of the changes
> > > > back.
> > >
> > > Maybe you should explain the changes so people is aware of them :)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >   Albert
> > >
> > > > Aleix
> >
> > Changes:
> > - kde-gtk-config was moved from extragear/base to kde/workspace.
> > - muon was moved from extragear/sysadmin to kde/workspace.
> >
> > That is, only projects.kde.org structure change.
>
> That's a total understament, it changes them from being something "extra"
> to
> be something totally core. So it's not "only" at all.
>
> > The reasoning is that this way they will be released together with Plasma
> > Workspace.
>
> I don't see that anyone can have a problem with kde-gtk-config.
>
> The muon move i see as much less clear, there are other "installers"
> provided
> by KDE (kpackagekit comes to mind) and muon is not widely used (AFAIK)
> outside
> KUbuntu, thus putting all the weight of making it a core thing is
> something I
> think we should not be doing without a bigger discussion with the
> community,
> and not just in Plasma.
>

I don't expect to compete with Apper. Muon Discover is a software center
and that's the main solution I'm pushing here, as I explained in Plasma.
Apper is a package manager. That is, a way where we can display to our
end-users what software there's available and also lets us a couple of
tricks to get biased.

I think this is very important, because it opens an opportunity to offer
the end-user the full KDE experience we've been talking about. So far, the
way everyone had to expose software was by creating a (usually spin-off)
distribution where there was tons of software pre-installed. By providing a
software center we open channels to communicate with the user where he can
leverage on previous' users experience, as well as our own.


>
> > As they've been used they don't really make sense outside Plasma
> > (especially the first) and we want to make sure that distros know these
> > components are designed to work together with Plasma.
>
> you're saying muon doesn't make sense outside plasma? how come? How does it
> stop working?
>
> > I didn't notify kde-core-devel because it didn't occur to me that the
> > community would have an opinion regarding whether it's me who releases
> the
> > packages or Jonathan (who has been doing the Plasma packages).
>
> Again, that's a total understament, i feel very sad you think that
> extragear/base vs kde/workspace is "just who releases the packages".
>
> Can you also please clarify to which release of plasma do you want to add
> this
> packages? I hope Plasma 5.2 since we're less than two weeks away from 5.1
> release and Beta has been released already, right?
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Aleix
>
>
I hope everything is clear now.

Aleix
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