Retirement of IRC Services and KDETalk.net (Jabber)

[Ben Cooksley]

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:39 PM Vincent Pinon <vpinon at kde.org> wrote:

>
> Le 22/05/2023 à 10:24, Ben Cooksley a écrit :
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM argonel <argonel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 3:12 PM Ben Cooksley <bcooksley at kde.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 10:42 PM Christian (Fuchs) <kde at fuchsnet.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Bouncer wise: 30 connections isn't exactly none, especially if that
>> contains
>> >> active people. These would be forced to migrate to a service (and
>> register at
>> >> such) which is not under KDEs control and, as far as I am aware, has a
>> >> mandatory registration.  As far as memory serves some communities,
>> e.g. I
>> >> think krita, still had active devs / maintainers on IRC.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, there is a cost-benefit analysis to all services we run however -
>> and if there is a minimal number of people benefiting from it, sometimes it
>> is time to retire a service.
>> >
>> > Note that the 30 I quoted was a count of TCP connections - so included
>> inbound and outbound links.
>> > The number of connected clients is much, much smaller - so it is
>> possible there are some IRC connections still active for people that are no
>> longer around, or who have moved to Matrix and not deactivated the BNC.
>>
>> I would argue that the low usage is in part due to lack of awareness.
>> It has a one-line mention on the "Internet Relay Chat" community wiki
>> page (which wasn't added until 2019) that doesn't even explain the
>> benefits of using it.
>>
>> IRC in combination with the BNC is much more suited to intermittent
>> usage than Matrix is, which currently obligates the user to "be
>> active" every 30 days, or risk (permanently!) losing access to the
>> entirety of the history of all of their joined channels (even the
>> parts for which they were present). The BNC happily buffers the text
>> until your client is able to reconnect. As an example, this allowed me
>> to read discussions that happened while I endured an extended power
>> outage, even when Matrix had decided that I was idle for "too long".
>>
>
> Not sure what the bots do on the IRC side, but this kicking due to
> inactivity is actually due to IRC and the bridging between it and Matrix.
> It isn't an issue of Matrix itself as a protocol / software stack - it is
> a limitation imposed on the Matrix side to help Libera.chat with connection
> load.
>
>
>>
>> So instead of shuttering the service, I recommend that more attention
>> be drawn to it.
>>
>
> There are currently 114 people registered to use the BNC, so it appears to
> be rather well known among our community members.
> The decline in it's usage has correlated rather well with the rise of
> Matrix, so it appears that those that favour a BNC type experience find
> Matrix works just as well / better.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> Hello,
>
> This conversation made me realize I still had BNC activated for my
> account, despite not connecting to IRC anymore for long (and to matrix
> neither recently, my participation is rather on pause for the moment).
>
> It is not clear on the BNC UI, nor on community wiki, how to close the
> account. I just unregistered libera from BNC, but don't see how to
> completely close the service for me?
>
> Thanks again for taking care of all these services!
>

You're not able to remove your own BNC account - please file a ticket and
we'll action that.


> Vincent
>

Cheers,
Ben
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