<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:39 PM Vincent Pinon <<a href="mailto:vpinon@kde.org">vpinon@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Le 22/05/2023 à 10:24, Ben Cooksley a
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM argonel <<a href="mailto:argonel@gmail.com" target="_blank">argonel@gmail.com</a>>
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3:12 PM Ben Cooksley <<a href="mailto:bcooksley@kde.org" target="_blank">bcooksley@kde.org</a>>
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> On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 10:42 PM Christian (Fuchs) <<a href="mailto:kde@fuchsnet.ch" target="_blank">kde@fuchsnet.ch</a>>
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>> Bouncer wise: 30 connections isn't exactly none,
especially if that contains<br>
>> active people. These would be forced to migrate to
a service (and register at<br>
>> such) which is not under KDEs control and, as far
as I am aware, has a<br>
>> mandatory registration. As far as memory serves
some communities, e.g. I<br>
>> think krita, still had active devs / maintainers on
IRC.<br>
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> Yes, there is a cost-benefit analysis to all services
we run however - and if there is a minimal number of people
benefiting from it, sometimes it is time to retire a
service.<br>
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> Note that the 30 I quoted was a count of TCP
connections - so included inbound and outbound links.<br>
> The number of connected clients is much, much smaller -
so it is possible there are some IRC connections still
active for people that are no longer around, or who have
moved to Matrix and not deactivated the BNC.<br>
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I would argue that the low usage is in part due to lack of
awareness.<br>
It has a one-line mention on the "Internet Relay Chat"
community wiki<br>
page (which wasn't added until 2019) that doesn't even
explain the<br>
benefits of using it.<br>
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IRC in combination with the BNC is much more suited to
intermittent<br>
usage than Matrix is, which currently obligates the user to
"be<br>
active" every 30 days, or risk (permanently!) losing access
to the<br>
entirety of the history of all of their joined channels
(even the<br>
parts for which they were present). The BNC happily buffers
the text<br>
until your client is able to reconnect. As an example, this
allowed me<br>
to read discussions that happened while I endured an
extended power<br>
outage, even when Matrix had decided that I was idle for
"too long".<br>
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<div>Not sure what the bots do on the IRC side, but this
kicking due to inactivity is actually due to IRC and the
bridging between it and Matrix.</div>
<div>It isn't an issue of Matrix itself as a protocol /
software stack - it is a limitation imposed on the Matrix
side to help Libera.chat with connection load.</div>
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So instead of shuttering the service, I recommend that more
attention<br>
be drawn to it.<br>
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<div>There are currently 114 people registered to use the BNC,
so it appears to be rather well known among our community
members.</div>
<div>The decline in it's usage has correlated rather well with
the rise of Matrix, so it appears that those that favour a
BNC type experience find Matrix works just as well / better.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Ben</div>
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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>This conversation made me realize I still had BNC activated for
my account, despite not connecting to IRC anymore for long (and to
matrix neither recently, my participation is rather on pause for
the moment).</p>
<p>It is not clear on the BNC UI, nor on community wiki, how to
close the account. I just unregistered libera from BNC, but don't
see how to completely close the service for me?</p>
<p>Thanks again for taking care of all these services!</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're not able to remove your own BNC account - please file a ticket and we'll action that.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Vincent<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Ben </div></div></div>