Inactive mailing lists

Ben Cooksley bcooksley at kde.org
Sat Apr 29 23:16:52 BST 2023 

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 4:13 AM Volker Krause <vkrause at kde.org> wrote:

> Lists that seem obsolete based on their subject:
> - kdepim-builds: this was intended to receive Jenkins CI build errors, a
> problem we no longer have.
> - khtml-cvs: KHTML is gone in KF6
> - kde-scm-interest: this was used for coordinating the migration to Git,
> something that is long done.
>

For those lists that are unquestionably no longer in use, please file a
ticket and we'll get them removed.

The list kde-dashboard can join the above list as no longer in use.


>
> Regards,
> Volker
>

Cheers,
Ben


>
> On Donnerstag, 27. April 2023 23:42:47 CEST Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss
> wrote:
> > Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists.
> >
> > To discuss, please answer to kde-community at kde.org.
> >
> > tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing
> > lists at KDE. What do we want to do with them?
> >
> > This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general
> > discussion about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new
> > thread or wait until I address that, likely in the very near future.
> >
> > _Inactive Mailing Lists_
> >
> > For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in
> > KDE's internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing
> > lists publicly listed at:
> >
> >    https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/
> >
> > Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some of
> > which were never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon
> > further inspection, but these seem like a good place to start.
> >
> > By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past
> > 2-3 years at least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago.
> > For several of these lists, there are long gaps in activity, often with
> > no community responses to the most recent posts.
> >
> > The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email.
> >
> > Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same as
> > a list that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular
> > communication for that community to be active. If you see your
> > community's mailing list here and think it is a mistake, please let me
> > know! My apologies in advance if this is the case.
> >
> > Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project
> > is inactive. It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used
> > channel of communication. There are many other channels for community
> > discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, etc.).
> >
> > _Some Questions To The KDE Community_
> >
> >   * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists?
> >
> >   * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see anything
> > at the Community Wiki. [1]
> >
> >   * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for
> > posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing
> > list ARChives" [3].
> >
> >   * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to
> > somewhere with generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking
> > Discuss)? I can imagine being in a more active online space could
> > increase general participation for otherwise low activity groups.
> >
> > _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_
> >
> > I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing lists.
> > Here are just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones:
> >
> >   * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's
> > communication is.
> >
> >   * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list
> > is no longer in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an
> > inactive one.
> >
> >   * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for
> > futher contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered.
> >
> >   * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their
> > overall activity.
> >
> >   * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's
> > server infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services.
> >
> > Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group
> > by pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific
> > list. If there is a reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open,
> > then let's keep it open! I myself like mailing lists for various forms
> > of communication (announcements, long-form discussion, information which
> > I want to archive locally for future reference, etc.).
> >
> > If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a
> > challenge to go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I
> > tried my best not to.
> >
> > I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Joseph
> >
> > [1] https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists
> > [2] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel
> > [3] https://marc.info/
> >
> > # Overview
> >
> > Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following:
> >
> >   * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed
> >   * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists
> >   * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists
> >
> > # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists]
> >
> > ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list
> > yet, so the archives are currently empty.")
> >
> >   * Calligra-author:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author
> >   * Cantor-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs
> >   * Gcompris-espanol:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol
> > * Kde-dashboard: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard *
> > kde-games-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs *
> > Kde-i18n-it: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it *
> > Kde-l10n-my: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my *
> > Kde-l10n-sw: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw *
> KDE-Look:
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look
> >   * Kde-partnership:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership
> >   * Kdepim-builds: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds
> >   * neon-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs
> >
> > ## Officially Closed [1 list]
> >
> >   * kde-nonlinux: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux
> >
> > # Inactive General Lists [27 lists]
> >
> > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists]
> >
> >   * kde-artists: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists
> >   * Heaptrack: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack
> >   * CuteHMI: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi
> >   * Khtml-cvs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs
> >   * Cki-attendees: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees
> >
> > ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists]
> >
> >   * Snorenotify: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify
> >   * KXStitch: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch
> >
> > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists]
> >
> >   * Choquk-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel
> >   * Kde-embedded: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded
> >   * Kde-buildsystem:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem
> >   * WikiToLearn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn
> >   * Marble-commits: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits
> >   * Ksecretservice-devel:
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel
> >   * KDE-Telepathy: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy
> >   * Kde-speech: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech
> >   * Kexi: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi
> >   * Enterprise: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise
> >   * Marble: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble
> >   * kde-women: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women
> >   * kde-usa: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa
> >   * kopete-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel
> >   * Kde-scm-interest:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest
> > * Kexi-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel
> >
> > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists]
> >
> >   * SymbolEditor: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor
> >   * Gcompris-portugues:
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues
> >   * kdelibs-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs
> >   * QmlWeb: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb
> >
> > # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists]
> >
> > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists]
> >
> >   * Kde-i18n-eu: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu
> >   * Kde-edu-pt_br: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br
> >
> > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists]
> >
> >   * Kde-i18n-uk: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk
> >   * KDE-india: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india
> >   * Kde-l10n-in: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in
> >   * Kde-latam: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam
> >   * Kde-l10n-kn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn
> >
> > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists]
> >
> >   * Kde-el: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el
> >   * kde-mexico: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico
> >   * Kde-l10n-si: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si
> >
> > ## Infrequently Active [1 list]
> >
> >   * KDE-Italia: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia
>
>
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