<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 4:13 AM Volker Krause <<a href="mailto:vkrause@kde.org">vkrause@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Lists that seem obsolete based on their subject:<br>
- kdepim-builds: this was intended to receive Jenkins CI build errors, a <br>
problem we no longer have.<br>
- khtml-cvs: KHTML is gone in KF6<br>
- kde-scm-interest: this was used for coordinating the migration to Git, <br>
something that is long done.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For those lists that are unquestionably no longer in use, please file a ticket and we'll get them removed.</div><div><br></div><div>The list kde-dashboard can join the above list as no longer in use.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Regards,<br>
Volker<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Ben</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On Donnerstag, 27. April 2023 23:42:47 CEST Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss wrote:<br>
> Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists.<br>
> <br>
> To discuss, please answer to <a href="mailto:kde-community@kde.org" target="_blank">kde-community@kde.org</a>.<br>
> <br>
> tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing<br>
> lists at KDE. What do we want to do with them?<br>
> <br>
> This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general<br>
> discussion about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new<br>
> thread or wait until I address that, likely in the very near future.<br>
> <br>
> _Inactive Mailing Lists_<br>
> <br>
> For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in<br>
> KDE's internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing<br>
> lists publicly listed at:<br>
> <br>
>    <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/</a><br>
> <br>
> Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some of<br>
> which were never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon<br>
> further inspection, but these seem like a good place to start.<br>
> <br>
> By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past<br>
> 2-3 years at least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago.<br>
> For several of these lists, there are long gaps in activity, often with<br>
> no community responses to the most recent posts.<br>
> <br>
> The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email.<br>
> <br>
> Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same as<br>
> a list that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular<br>
> communication for that community to be active. If you see your<br>
> community's mailing list here and think it is a mistake, please let me<br>
> know! My apologies in advance if this is the case.<br>
> <br>
> Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project<br>
> is inactive. It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used<br>
> channel of communication. There are many other channels for community<br>
> discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, etc.).<br>
> <br>
> _Some Questions To The KDE Community_<br>
> <br>
>   * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists?<br>
> <br>
>   * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see anything<br>
> at the Community Wiki. [1]<br>
> <br>
>   * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for<br>
> posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing<br>
> list ARChives" [3].<br>
> <br>
>   * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to<br>
> somewhere with generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking<br>
> Discuss)? I can imagine being in a more active online space could<br>
> increase general participation for otherwise low activity groups.<br>
> <br>
> _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_<br>
> <br>
> I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing lists.<br>
> Here are just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones:<br>
> <br>
>   * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's<br>
> communication is.<br>
> <br>
>   * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list<br>
> is no longer in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an<br>
> inactive one.<br>
> <br>
>   * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for<br>
> futher contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered.<br>
> <br>
>   * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their<br>
> overall activity.<br>
> <br>
>   * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's<br>
> server infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services.<br>
> <br>
> Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group<br>
> by pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific<br>
> list. If there is a reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open,<br>
> then let's keep it open! I myself like mailing lists for various forms<br>
> of communication (announcements, long-form discussion, information which<br>
> I want to archive locally for future reference, etc.).<br>
> <br>
> If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a<br>
> challenge to go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I<br>
> tried my best not to.<br>
> <br>
> I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions!<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Joseph<br>
> <br>
> [1] <a href="https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists</a><br>
> [2] <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel</a><br>
> [3] <a href="https://marc.info/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://marc.info/</a><br>
> <br>
> # Overview<br>
> <br>
> Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following:<br>
> <br>
>   * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed<br>
>   * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists<br>
>   * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists<br>
> <br>
> # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists]<br>
> <br>
> ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list<br>
> yet, so the archives are currently empty.")<br>
> <br>
>   * Calligra-author: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author</a><br>
>   * Cantor-bugs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs</a><br>
>   * Gcompris-espanol: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol</a><br>
> * Kde-dashboard: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard</a> *<br>
> kde-games-bugs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs</a> *<br>
> Kde-i18n-it: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it</a> *<br>
> Kde-l10n-my: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my</a> *<br>
> Kde-l10n-sw: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw</a> * KDE-Look:<br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look</a><br>
>   * Kde-partnership: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership</a><br>
>   * Kdepim-builds: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds</a><br>
>   * neon-bugs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs</a><br>
> <br>
> ## Officially Closed [1 list]<br>
> <br>
>   * kde-nonlinux: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux</a><br>
> <br>
> # Inactive General Lists [27 lists]<br>
> <br>
> ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * kde-artists: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists</a><br>
>   * Heaptrack: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack</a><br>
>   * CuteHMI: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi</a><br>
>   * Khtml-cvs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs</a><br>
>   * Cki-attendees: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees</a><br>
> <br>
> ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * Snorenotify: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify</a><br>
>   * KXStitch: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch</a><br>
> <br>
> ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * Choquk-devel: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel</a><br>
>   * Kde-embedded: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded</a><br>
>   * Kde-buildsystem: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem</a><br>
>   * WikiToLearn: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn</a><br>
>   * Marble-commits: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits</a><br>
>   * Ksecretservice-devel:<br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel</a><br>
>   * KDE-Telepathy: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy</a><br>
>   * Kde-speech: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech</a><br>
>   * Kexi: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi</a><br>
>   * Enterprise: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise</a><br>
>   * Marble: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble</a><br>
>   * kde-women: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women</a><br>
>   * kde-usa: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa</a><br>
>   * kopete-devel: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel</a><br>
>   * Kde-scm-interest: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest</a><br>
> * Kexi-devel: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel</a><br>
> <br>
> ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * SymbolEditor: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor</a><br>
>   * Gcompris-portugues:<br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues</a><br>
>   * kdelibs-bugs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs</a><br>
>   * QmlWeb: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb</a><br>
> <br>
> # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists]<br>
> <br>
> ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * Kde-i18n-eu: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu</a><br>
>   * Kde-edu-pt_br: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br</a><br>
> <br>
> ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * Kde-i18n-uk: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk</a><br>
>   * KDE-india: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india</a><br>
>   * Kde-l10n-in: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in</a><br>
>   * Kde-latam: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam</a><br>
>   * Kde-l10n-kn: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn</a><br>
> <br>
> ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists]<br>
> <br>
>   * Kde-el: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el</a><br>
>   * kde-mexico: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico</a><br>
>   * Kde-l10n-si: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si</a><br>
> <br>
> ## Infrequently Active [1 list]<br>
> <br>
>   * KDE-Italia: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia</a><br>
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