The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)

[Dmitry Kazakov]

Hi, all!

Is there any KDE-wide decision on that? Is there any work done on migration
from freenode to libera? I mean, if a KDE-project wants to migrate from
freenode to libera, what should it do? Do that individually or wait until
the whole organisation does that in a bucket?

As far as I can see the following steps are needed:

1) Register the project within libera somehow. There was some form to fill
in, but I cannot find it now.
2) Relink the matrix bridge from the old network to the new location.

I guess we can register the channel ourselves, but relinking matrix bridge
is something out of our control. What should we do for that?

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 9:20 AM Christian Loosli <kde at fuchsnet.ch> wrote:

> Dear KDE community,
>
> it appears that over night, the now new management of freenode started to
> revenge-ban former staff from their servers, therefore I am now unable to
> connect to freenode and connect to / help out with KDE there.
>
> They also post heavily cropped private chatlogs on their blog so that they
> push their views.  https://freenode.net/news/for-foss
> full chat log at the bottom of the mail, since the cropped part was
> released
> without me being asked, I have to assume it's fine to release the rest as
> well.
>
> In addition to that, former official channels from projects that moved to
> a
> different place were taken over by the new management.
> https://mastodon.sdf.org/@kline/106299403921451814
> https://twitter.com/UndeadDrMcCoy/status/1397400278916386820
>
>
> I've been asked in a KDE channel by a member on why I suggest moving, so:
> yeah, this is it. Seizing official channels you do not represent and
> banning
> members of the community for no reason other than revenge, even though I
> am
> obviously biased, I really think this is the kind of place that FLOSS
> projects
> should abandon.
>
> On more positive sidenotes: We had a very constructive chat with Matrix
> folk
> earlier this week and are now building up stuff to allow briding, so
> should
> KDE want to move over, we'd hopefully soon have a Matrix (and thus also
> Telegram) bridge available.
>
>
> Kind regards and thanks for the decade of support on freenode,
>
> Christian
>
>
> ---
>
> Full chatlog that got croppedly released by Andrew Lee.
> As usual, people are free to make up their own opinion if they have the
> full
> information, and not just bits and pieces.
>
>
> cat 2021-05-11.log
> [19:45:43] <rasengan> Hey there, please join #freenode-board -- this is an
> official message sent in my capacity as the owner of Freenode.
> Additionally,
> if you can please use my gpg key and share with me all of the credentials
> of
> Freenode.  Thank you in advance.  Just to be clear, this is an official
> message from the ownership of Freenode.
> [21:05:30] <rasengan> Hi Fuchs, do you have plans to comply?  This is an
> official request from the Freenode Board
>
> cat 2021-05-25.log
> [21:15:32] <Fuchs> well, good evening, "sole board member and chairman of
> freenode"
> [21:15:49] <Fuchs> I assume that didn't go exactly as you planned when you
> unleashed your bloodhounds, and when you called for my resignation
> [21:16:20] <Fuchs> free tip for next time:  money might buy you domains or
> assets, but it will never buy you the right people, it will never buy you
> true
> loyality and, most importantly, it will never buy you a community
> [21:16:49] <Fuchs> go and build one, with dedication and hard work. Good
> luck.
> [21:17:54] <rasengan> ?
> [21:19:01] <rasengan> Fuchs, you know very well my support for FOSS has
> been
> strong, what happened here, and why.
> [21:19:16] <Fuchs> trivial:
> [21:19:35] <Fuchs> you sent your bloodhound lawyers after a well respected
> community member, after _you_ misunderstood blog posts and resignation
> letters
> [21:19:45] <Fuchs> I know christel already corrected you on your gist,
> shame
> you never updated that
> [21:19:57] <Fuchs> I assume by now you also know that there never was a
> "merger" between OFTC and freenode planned
> [21:20:01] <rasengan> You are very incorrect Fuchs.
> [21:20:11] <rasengan> Secondly, you sent your mob on me.
> [21:20:19] <Fuchs> and then you tried to throw out respected members of
> the
> community, and you replaced them with people that have 0 credibility in
> the
> FOSS world, in some cases even a negative one
> [21:20:21] <rasengan> The same mob you leashed on others and I, now I know
> I
> was wrong to, protected you.
> [21:20:25] <rasengan> I can't believe why you're doing this.
> [21:20:33] <Fuchs> then you really can't be helped, I guess
> [21:20:36] <Fuchs> good luck in your reality
> [21:20:51] <Fuchs> and enjoy the scorched earth and smoking ruins and
> ashes
> that you inherited, killer of IRC
> [21:21:02] <rasengan> Fuchs, you are wrong to speak ill of the new
> freenode
> volunteers.
> [21:21:08] <rasengan> They've done quite a bit for FOSS and are
> respectable
> people.
> [21:21:11] <rasengan> Attack me all you want.
> [21:21:17] <rasengan> Not the volunteers.  Fair?
> [21:21:39] <Fuchs> Oh, I don't attack them. The community already has
> spoken
> on them, I'm rather sure, from the logs I have
> [21:21:46] <Fuchs> and I don't attack you either
> [21:21:52] <Fuchs> I explain to you what you seem to not want to understand
> [21:21:55] <rasengan> But, can you personally refrain from propelling
> negativity toward the team members?
> [21:22:15] <Fuchs> if you prefer ingorance: go ahead, and watch the rest
> of
> the communities, projects and sponsors leave you as well. And keep asking
> yourself why.
> [21:22:23] <Fuchs> you went after my friends, Andrew
> [21:22:26] <rasengan> In the meantime, let me try to save freenode.  If
> you
> want to come back in the future let me know.  I can forgive you, honestly.
> [21:22:32] <Fuchs> what I did here was way more friendlynes than you
> deserve
> [21:22:43] <rasengan> Thank you for that.
> [21:22:47] <Fuchs> if you don't want it: fine. Good luck, king of the
> scorched
> earth that once was freenode.
> [21:23:00] <Fuchs> haha, _you_ forgiving _me_, that's gold
> [21:23:11] <Fuchs> good luck then, I shall leave you alone and go build
> better.
> [21:23:27] <rasengan> I do forgive you.
> [21:23:35] <rasengan> And I also hope for the best for Libera.
> [21:23:37] <rasengan> Cheers.
>
>
>

-- 
Dmitry Kazakov
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