Formal request to set up a KDE Discourse instance

[Eike Hein]

Hey,

This all sounds much too confrontational :-). Come on everyone, we can do this much better.

Ben, I don't think Nate's request implies prioritization. For folks outside a particular team it can be difficult to follow what the team has on their plate at the moment; you probably also wouldn't know the same about Nate's VDG/QA space. 

Everyone knows that sysadmin is working hard all the time, but it has to still be possible to do roadmap planning. In fact it's one of the best ways to avoid getting overcommitted in the future. Declaring a goal and/or agreeing to work on it in the abstract doesn't mean it has to be done straight away or rushed, but it e.g. allows attracting contributors to the goal to get the work done, as also seen in the thread already.

The idea of adopting Discourse as a replacement for the old forums has been around for a number of years, and I would say it's probably become more compelling with time. KDE Forums hasn't seen a lot of work and Discourse has risen 8n popularity and familiarity. It's at least worth investigating with an open mind now. If the investigation finds road blocks (capacity, technical, others) we can discuss them further - constructively, without being strangely afraid others will make decisions without them. The only way that happens is by not communicating.

I would suggest making a rough proposal on what this really means operationally. How would we migrate, how would we sundown, what sort of work would Discourse need, what sort of setup and infra are required. Sysadmin should ideally provide input there based on experience, implementation policy, etc. Then we know what we need, what we don't have, and what we think we should do about it.



Cheers,
Eike




On February 24, 2021 1:21:14 AM GMT+01:00, Nate Graham <nate at kde.org> wrote:
>On 2/23/21 4:07 PM, Nate Graham wrote:
>> On 2/23/21 3:53 PM, Ben Cooksley wrote:
>>> May I take this as a formal request from yourself that Gitlab CI is 
>>> deprioritised and delayed?
>>>
>>> Based on the extremely frequent requests we get concerning it in 
>>> #kde-sysadmin I am not sure if your request here is in line with 
>>> general community consensus.
>>>
>>> Also, be aware that Sysadmin currently has other infrastructure level 
>>> projects underway needed to get us off Ubuntu 16.04, which are 
>>> currently delayed because we haven't had anyone volunteer to assist us 
>>> with adding support for OAuth2/MyKDE to Reimbursements.
>>> Based on the above, I assume you are also requesting that we delay 
>>> this, and accept the corresponding security issues that will accompany 
>>> it when Ubuntu 16.04 loses support in the coming months in order to 
>>> get this actioned?
>> 
>> Hmm, I don't see where I suggested any of those things.
>> 
>> If you folks are really that overloaded, we need to figure out how to 
>> fix that. A workload that exceeds available resources doesn't help 
>> anyone. The last time this came up, people called for additional 
>> volunteers to assist. Did that end up bearing any fruit?
>
>Anyway I apologize if my tone was off. I wasn't meaning to accuse 
>sysadmins of anything, and I guess I didn't realize how overloaded the 
>team is right now.
>
>That being what it is, perhaps a more productive line of discussion 
>would be to ask: "what do you need from us so that these things that 
>need to happen, and that we all want, can reach fruition faster?" You 
>don't have to suffer in silence! :)
>
>Nate
>

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