Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

Christian Loosli kde at fuchsnet.ch
Thu Dec 5 12:46:57 GMT 2019


Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:44:09 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community
> an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us.

Completely is unlikely indeed, but the world is not black and white, and we 
can steer a bit what places are affected and what places are not (e.g. the 
comment in the other thread about "please no politics on the mailing lists"). 
Professional environments seem to manage quite fine to get up some sort of 
separation, so maybe we can, too. 

> Cheers,
> Eike

Kind regards, 

Christian 
 
> On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde at fuchsnet.ch> 
wrote:
> >Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that
> >particular blog
> >post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in
> >general that
> >things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to
> >find
> >projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic  (insert
> >controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure
> >every
> >country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to
> >these
> >places for something other than politics.
> >
> >As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made
> >a
> >suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we
> >already
> >allow to filter by language.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Christian
> >
> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a
> >
> >problem
> >
> >> we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a
> >
> >community
> >
> >> we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from
> >
> >an
> >
> >> occasional post. Let's have that trust.
> >> 
> >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical
> >
> >you've
> >
> >> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is
> >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus
> >
> >we
> >
> >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like
> >
> >having the
> >
> >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of
> >> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a
> >
> >news
> >
> >> feed, it's a community aggregator.
> >> 
> >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog
> >
> >post is
> >
> >> not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up
> >
> >with
> >
> >> something.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Eike
> >> 
> >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> >
> ><kde at fuchsnet.ch>
> >
> >wrote:
> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> >> >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem
> >
> >that
> >
> >> >doesn't
> >> >
> >> >> currently exist.
> >> >
> >> >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,
> >> >because
> >> >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be  "but the other
> >> >person was
> >> >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.
> >> >
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Eike
> >> >
> >> >Kind regards,
> >> >
> >> >Christian
> >> >
> >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> >> >
> >> ><kde at fuchsnet.ch>
> >> >
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on
> >> >
> >> >planet
> >> >
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet
> >
> >would
> >
> >> >be
> >> >
> >> >> >simply
> >> >> >overcrowded with it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be
> >
> >a
> >
> >> >> >filter for
> >> >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about,
> >> >
> >> >well,
> >> >
> >> >> >KDE,
> >> >> >could filter all that stuff out.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Kind regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Christian
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan
> >> >
> >> >Riddell:
> >> >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information
> >
> >about
> >
> >> >> >themselves
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect
> >
> >KDE
> >
> >> >> >> significantly which is why I include it here.  The idea that
> >> >
> >> >talking
> >> >
> >> >> >about
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is
> >
> >one
> >
> >> >> >reason why
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political
> >
> >discussion
> >
> >> >> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political
> >
> >opinion
> >
> >> >> >blogs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your
> >
> >blog
> >
> >> >> >should be
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal
> >
> >subjects
> >
> >> >> >are also
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the
> >> >> >
> >> >> >developers
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> behind KDE."  I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that
> >> >
> >> >rule.
> >> >
> >> >> >> Jonathan
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde at fuchsnet.ch>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> > Dear Community,
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same
> >> >
> >> >blog,
> >> >
> >> >> >but I
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > can't
> >> >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on
> >
> >forums
> >
> >> >or
> >> >
> >> >> >chat:
> >> >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting
> >> >
> >> >for a
> >> >
> >> >> >> > specific
> >> >> >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are
> >
> >many
> >
> >> >> >countries
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very
> >> >> >
> >> >> >important
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > global
> >> >> >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news
> >
> >site.
> >
> >> >> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a
> >> >
> >> >political
> >> >
> >> >> >subject
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would
> >
> >be
> >
> >> >yet
> >> >
> >> >> >> > another
> >> >> >> > political news/opinions feed.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read
> >> >
> >> >about
> >> >
> >> >> >KDE, I
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > go to
> >> >> >> > planet.kde.org.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can
> >
> >choose
> >
> >> >> >which of
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are
> >
> >very
> >
> >> >> >important
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please
> >> >
> >> >keep
> >> >
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess
> >> >
> >> >where
> >> >
> >> >> >it's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > hard to
> >> >> >> > find the content people actually go there for.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Thanks and kind regards,
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Christian






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