[kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Andre Heinecke aheinecke at intevation.de
Thu Feb 4 20:48:41 UTC 2016


Hi,

On Wednesday 03 February 2016 14:57:02 Martin Graesslin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:46:16 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote:
> > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto:
> > > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say
> > > our technology stack includes systemd, networkmanager and apparmor. If
> > > your distro cannot do that it's not providing the best expected
> > > experience. In reality we don't have the manpower to test multiple
> > 
> > I'm answering you but this is a point more general, which I overlooked
> > before: don't forget that distributions ship other software!
> > 
> > And said software has to work and coexist with KDE software. So as a
> > distribution, often we have to take compromises to ensure everything works
> > as intended.
> 
> Yes I know, that's the obvious reply you get from distros. And I call
> BULLSHIT to that. If a distribution ships with a broken bluetooth setup,
> because another desktop requires an outdated version there is something
> broken in this so deeply that I cannot find words about it.

I think part of the Problem is that those reports end up with you and are not 
triaged on the distribution level. I can totally see your point there but I 
disagree with your general mistrust of Distributors and their choices.

If a Distributor makes a bad choice, of course he should end up with the 
annoyed users and not you!

But if your solution for that is not to give distributors any choices I 
disagree with you. They also want to provide the best user experience for 
their Use Cases.

I've just wrote a mail to release-team [1] suggesting a way to mitigate at 
least some of the problems we face with distributions. In particular 
unqualified bugreports that are due to packaging problems.

In general I think a bug should go through a distribution maintainer before it 
reaches a developer. While I know that this is not realistic to work in 100% 
of the cases we might want to encourage this.

Regards,
Andre

1: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2016-February/009278.html
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