[kde-community] FOSDEM Organisation

[Rick Timmis]

STOP, That is Enough !!

This conversation does not belong here, it is devisive, confrontational and can not be resolved here..

WE - The KDE Community have a responsibility, and duty first and for most to protect the unity of our community

PLEASE Cease with this thread of conversation.

IF YOU Feel strongly on either side of this argument then please make you feelings known directly to the organisers of FOSDEM

PLEASE STOP..

Thanks

RIck Timmis

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On 12:08am, 7 Dec 2014, at 12:08am, Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>Woah. I never thought I would hear such things here.
>
>On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Pau Garcia i Quiles
><pgquiles at elpauer.org> wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> You couldn't be more wrong.
>>
>> I have been organizing the Desktops DevRoom for the last 4-5 years
>(cannot
>> really remember), so I can speak from reality.
>>
>> There is no discrimination against women in FOSDEM. It's just they do
>not
>> submit talk proposals. Simple as that. E. g. this year we have only
>had one
>> talk proposal from a woman and I had to chase her! In the very few
>cases
>> where they do submit talks, more often than not when you tell them
>"you've
>> got your slot" the answer will be "oh, I won't be attending, I need
>more
>> time to plan". Well, sorry but everybody is notified of
>acceptance/rejection
>> with exactly the same amount of time (4-6 weeks) due to the timeframe
>FOSDEM
>> manages. If men can come, why can't women? (we do also have some
>rejections
>> from men due to too-late notice but it's less frequent).
>
>There are many reasons women don't submit talk proposals. One of them
>is the perceived unfriendly, unwelcoming nature of the conf. I'm not
>saying that FOSDEM *is* unfriendly or unwelcoming to women. However,
>it certainly has that reputation.
>
>Some women are "pioneers" enough to attend, or even speak. That can
>require a great deal of courage, which is not always on-tap. Those who
>are experienced speakers of course often come up with a talk on short
>notice -- I know of many good female speakers. Why are they not
>speaking at FOSDEM? Seriously, if the steering committee wants more
>diversity, it should be talking to these experienced speakers and find
>out why they choose not to come.
>
>> People are overreacting with these CoC's (or lack of). For some
>reason, and
>> it's not discrimination of any kind, women are by far not interested
>in
>> technology and engineering. In the same way they are by far more
>interested
>> in Nursery, Medicine, Psychology, Marketing & Advertising, etc than
>men. Is
>> there a CoC about men for Nursery or Midwife conventions? I don't
>think so.
>
>This paragraph here leaves me shocked and speechless. Say what?
>
>Valorie
>
>
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:21 AM, John Layt <jlayt at kde.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just a heads-up that I will not be attending FOSDEM next year and
>will
>>> not be assisting in any way with preparations for FOSDEM or
>providing
>>> any hardware. This is the result of the FOSDEM organisers refusing
>to
>>> institute a proper Code of Conduct for attendees or to take any
>other
>>> steps in addressing the dreadful gender ratio of speakers on their
>>> program or attending the conference itself. I have attempted to
>>> discuss these issues with them and found their attitude and beliefs
>>> completely unacceptable to me. As such I cannot give them any form
>of
>>> support, and sadly that means not helping the KDE community at this
>>> event anymore.
>>>
>>> John.
>
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