<p>STOP, That is Enough !!</p>
<p>This conversation does not belong here, it is devisive, confrontational and can not be resolved here..</p>
<p>WE - The KDE Community have a responsibility, and duty first and for most to protect the unity of our community</p>
<p>PLEASE Cease with this thread of conversation.</p>
<p>IF YOU Feel strongly on either side of this argument then please make you feelings known directly to the organisers of FOSDEM</p>
<p>PLEASE STOP..</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>RIck Timmis</p>
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</script></head><body style="zoom: 100%; "><div class="gmail_quote" >On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:08am, Valorie Zimmerman <<a href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com" target="_blank">valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="blue">Woah. I never thought I would hear such things here.<br><br>On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Pau Garcia i Quiles<br><pgquiles@elpauer.org> wrote:<br=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> John,<br><br> You couldn't be more wrong.<br><br> I have been organizing the Desktops DevRoom for the last 4-5 years (cannot<br> really remember), so I can speak from reality.<br><br> There is no discrimination against women in FOSDEM. It's just they do not<br> submit talk proposals. Simple as that. E. g. this year we have only had one<br> talk proposal from a woman and I had to chase her! In the very few cases<br> where they do submit talks, more often than not when you tell them "you've<br> got your slot" the answer will be "oh, I won't be attending, I need more<br> time to plan". Well, sorry but everybody is notified of acceptance/rejection<br> with exactly the same amount of time (4-6 weeks) due to the timeframe FOSDEM<br> manages. If men can come, why can't women? (we do also have some rejections<br> from men due to too-late notice but it's less frequent).<br></blockquote><br>There are many reasons women don't submit talk proposals. One of them<br>is the perceived unfriendly, unwelcoming nature of the conf. I'm not<br>saying that FOSDEM *is* unfriendly or unwelcoming to women. However,<br>it certainly has that reputation.<br><br>Some women are "pioneers" enough to attend, or even speak. That can<br>require a great deal of courage, which is not always on-tap. Those who<br>are experienced speakers of course often come up with a talk on short<br>notice -- I know of many good female speakers. Why are they not<br>speaking at FOSDEM? Seriously, if the steering committee wants more<br>diversity, it should be talking to these experienced speakers and find<br>out why they choose not to come.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> People are overreacting with these CoC's (or lack of). For some reason, and<br> it's not discrimination of any kind, women are by far not interested in<br> technology and engineering. In the same way they are by far more interested<br> in Nursery, Medicine, Psychology, Marketing & Advertising, etc than men. Is<br> there a CoC about men for Nursery or Midwife conventions? I don't think so.<br></blockquote><br>This paragraph here leaves me shocked and speechless. Say what?<br><br>Valorie<br><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:21 AM, John Layt <jlayt@kde.org> wrote:<br=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> Hi,<br><br> Just a heads-up that I will not be attending FOSDEM next year and will<br> not be assisting in any way with preparations for FOSDEM or providing<br> any hardware. This is the result of the FOSDEM organisers refusing to<br> institute a proper Code of Conduct for attendees or to take any other<br> steps in addressing the dreadful gender ratio of speakers on their<br> program or attending the conference itself. I have attempted to<br> discuss these issues with them and found their attitude and beliefs<br> completely unacceptable to me. As such I cannot give them any form of<br> support, and sadly that means not helping the KDE community at this<br> event anymore.<br><br> John.<br></blockquote></jlayt@kde.org>></blockquote></pgquiles@elpauer.org>></pre></blockquote></div></body></head>