Commercial Linux software

Thu Feb 17 21:27:59 CET 2011

Yes. I agree with Eugene here.
Commercial Linux software might become important in the future but it is not now.
At least I don´t know a lot of commercial software for Linux or People who bought it.

Cheers
Frank

On 16.02.2011, at 16:16, Eugene Trounev wrote:

> I agree with your stance there 100%, however I believe that all should come in due time. To be perfectly honest we don't really have anything there yet. All that happened so far is we (all distros, KDE, and GNOME people) came together and discussed a possibility of having a semi-universal app-distribution system. Moreover we actually agreed on having one :D But all it was is just words for now, and one semi-functional proof of concept app. I think (and most would agree with me here) we should implement the system first, make sure it works as intended, start promoting it, and then start thinking about extending it in such a complicated manner as are legals, licensing, payment structure/system and so on.
> However we still may at least discuss what is/might be needed to implement/facilitate such a system. So why won't we do that for starters?
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Eugene Trounev
> [it-s]
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Andrew <primary.edw at gmail.com> wrote:
> Eugene,
>   Actually I think now is the perfect time to start thinking about the inclusion of pay supported applications. When dealing with a distribution platform there are many things to consider including:
> 	• licensing : including subscriptions, affliate programs, system constaints etc
> 	• individual repositories based on user purchases - so you need to consider authentication etc
> 	• large data formats - for example some game applications have 1Gb+ downloads - would this be better via bittorrent vs other means
> 	• Looking at non app items such as ebooks, movies, music etc.
> I am sure I missed somethings regarding ther things that consideration. I have some in my personal research on this - but not on hand.
> 
> I also disagree that the market is infinately small, there are a lot of Linux commercial applications available however they are hard to find because there is no central place to market them. In just about every genre of applications there is a commercial application; and I would also look at the success of the Android/mobile platform - the market wasn't there until it was created. We shouldn't also limit it to desktop applications - the server/web space is an area that I think could also benefit.
> 
> I also think the game market on a Linux platform could be boosted dramtically if there was an easy way to install and use high quality programs. Games is one of the last hold-outs for Linux success on the desktop. Game manufactures really don't have a good way to get the games into players hands under Linux and a system like this could get the ball rolling.
> 
> I also think the use of in-app payments and donations is one area that could really be potentially a big deal. I think consideration of this is required as things like SDK's and business functionality needs to be looked at now and not added later.
> 
> Sorry I don't mean to sound abrupt :) I am very excited by this prospect, and would love to see it come through as a reality!
> 
> Best Regards
> Andrew Mee
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 February 2011 05:13, Eugene Trounev <eugene.trounev at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we actually talked about this briefly at bretzen, but agreed that this was not a priority right now. The paid application market under linux is infinitely small, + there is no point even talking about this before we have a sensible distribution platform for it.
> So, plan minimum - develop a cross distro, cross architecture, easy to use distribution platform.
> Plan maximum - start thinking about what to sell, and how.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Eugene Trounev
> [it-s]
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/2/14 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>
> On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >   thanks Jos for the introduction. What I was discussing with Jos was that
> > about 12 months ago I was investigating the possibility of a cross-distro
> > app store for the commercial side of Linux apps. Some of the things that
> > came up was the payment and licensing handling and in-app payment work.
> > Unfortunately the lack of resources at the time prevented me from promoting
> > this idea further.
> >
> > When discussing the common app installer with Jos I mentioned that the
> > commercial applications (and other digital deliverables) had unfortunately
> > not been well promoted, especially in the gaming and commercial development
> > tools; let alone a micro-payment donation system etc.
> >
> > I have been working in payment systems (for all different payment
> > types), micro-payment, affiliate and mass payout systems for the last 4
> > years. I have been involved at all levels including bank gateways, fraud
> > controls and working with PCI compliance .
> >
> > I am still reviewing some of the information that Jos has gave me and I am
> > looking forward to seeing project going.
> > Looking forward to hearing more and joining the list.
> 
> Laddies and gents, I haven't seen any replies to this - has there been any
> thought on payment systems, on commercial apps etc? Does this have to happen
> with the Appstream team? Other?
> 
> > Regards
> > Andrew Mee
> >
> > On 27 January 2011 14:43, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > > Jos,
> > > >
> > > >    it was really good to talk to you last night regarding the common
> > > >    app
> > > >
> > > > installer work. I am very interested in seeing what I can bring to the
> > > > table with regards to this project.
> > > >
> > > > First off you now have my contact details and perhaps we can discuss
> > > > all this further over a coffee before you go.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime I'm going to do some catch-up on what you mentioning to
> > >
> > > me!
> > >
> > > Awesome. Let me introduce you to Frank Karlitschek & the bretzn team!
> > >
> > > Guys, I spoke last night wit Andrew Mee who mentioned he has once been
> > > thinking about and working a bit on a payment system for open source app
> > > store
> > > stuff. He's knowledgable in this area and might be able to help you guys
> > > out
> > > in this rather complicated area! Subscribe him to the list and be sure to
> > > suck
> > > him in ;-)
> > >
> > > Also be sure to keep Vincent in the loop, as well as the other distro
> > > people!
> > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Again,
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Mee
> > > > +61401665068
> 
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