Commercial Linux software

Mon Feb 21 05:16:02 CET 2011

On 2011-02-17 Frank wrote:
> Yes. I agree with Eugene here.
> Commercial Linux software might become important in the future but it
> is not now. At least I don´t know a lot of commercial software for
> Linux or People who bought it.

Hmmm, isn't there a chicken-and-egg problem? I know at least World of 
Goo has been very popular - I bought it myself as well and I would've 
preferred to do that in a proper and easy to use appstore like system :D

> 
> Cheers
> Frank
> 
> On 16.02.2011, at 16:16, Eugene Trounev wrote:
> > I agree with your stance there 100%, however I believe that all
> > should come in due time. To be perfectly honest we don't really
> > have anything there yet. All that happened so far is we (all
> > distros, KDE, and GNOME people) came together and discussed a
> > possibility of having a semi-universal app-distribution system.
> > Moreover we actually agreed on having one :D But all it was is
> > just words for now, and one semi-functional proof of concept app.
> > I think (and most would agree with me here) we should implement
> > the system first, make sure it works as intended, start promoting
> > it, and then start thinking about extending it in such a
> > complicated manner as are legals, licensing, payment
> > structure/system and so on. However we still may at least discuss
> > what is/might be needed to implement/facilitate such a system. So
> > why won't we do that for starters?
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Eugene Trounev
> > [it-s]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Andrew <primary.edw at gmail.com>
> > wrote: Eugene,
> > 
> >   Actually I think now is the perfect time to start thinking about 
the inclusion of pay supported applications. When dealing with a 
distribution platform there are many things to consider including:
> > 	• licensing : including subscriptions, affliate programs, system
> > 	constaints etc • individual repositories based on user purchases
> > 	- so you need to consider authentication etc • large data formats
> > 	- for example some game applications have 1Gb+ downloads - would
> > 	this be better via bittorrent vs other means • Looking at non app
> > 	items such as ebooks, movies, music etc.
> > 
> > I am sure I missed somethings regarding ther things that
> > consideration. I have some in my personal research on this - but
> > not on hand.
> > 
> > I also disagree that the market is infinately small, there are a
> > lot of Linux commercial applications available however they are
> > hard to find because there is no central place to market them. In
> > just about every genre of applications there is a commercial
> > application; and I would also look at the success of the
> > Android/mobile platform - the market wasn't there until it was
> > created. We shouldn't also limit it to desktop applications - the
> > server/web space is an area that I think could also benefit.
> > 
> > I also think the game market on a Linux platform could be boosted
> > dramtically if there was an easy way to install and use high
> > quality programs. Games is one of the last hold-outs for Linux
> > success on the desktop. Game manufactures really don't have a good
> > way to get the games into players hands under Linux and a system
> > like this could get the ball rolling.
> > 
> > I also think the use of in-app payments and donations is one area
> > that could really be potentially a big deal. I think consideration
> > of this is required as things like SDK's and business
> > functionality needs to be looked at now and not added later.
> > 
> > Sorry I don't mean to sound abrupt :) I am very excited by this
> > prospect, and would love to see it come through as a reality!
> > 
> > Best Regards
> > Andrew Mee
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 15 February 2011 05:13, Eugene Trounev
> > <eugene.trounev at gmail.com> wrote: Well, we actually talked about
> > this briefly at bretzen, but agreed that this was not a priority
> > right now. The paid application market under linux is infinitely
> > small, + there is no point even talking about this before we have
> > a sensible distribution platform for it. So, plan minimum -
> > develop a cross distro, cross architecture, easy to use
> > distribution platform. Plan maximum - start thinking about what to
> > sell, and how.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Eugene Trounev
> > [it-s]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2011/2/14 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>
> > 
> > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > >   thanks Jos for the introduction. What I was discussing with Jos
> > >   was that
> > > 
> > > about 12 months ago I was investigating the possibility of a
> > > cross-distro app store for the commercial side of Linux apps.
> > > Some of the things that came up was the payment and licensing
> > > handling and in-app payment work. Unfortunately the lack of
> > > resources at the time prevented me from promoting this idea
> > > further.
> > > 
> > > When discussing the common app installer with Jos I mentioned
> > > that the commercial applications (and other digital
> > > deliverables) had unfortunately not been well promoted,
> > > especially in the gaming and commercial development tools; let
> > > alone a micro-payment donation system etc.
> > > 
> > > I have been working in payment systems (for all different payment
> > > types), micro-payment, affiliate and mass payout systems for the
> > > last 4 years. I have been involved at all levels including bank
> > > gateways, fraud controls and working with PCI compliance .
> > > 
> > > I am still reviewing some of the information that Jos has gave me
> > > and I am looking forward to seeing project going.
> > > Looking forward to hearing more and joining the list.
> > 
> > Laddies and gents, I haven't seen any replies to this - has there
> > been any thought on payment systems, on commercial apps etc? Does
> > this have to happen with the Appstream team? Other?
> > 
> > > Regards
> > > Andrew Mee
> > > 
> > > On 27 January 2011 14:43, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:
> > > > > Jos,
> > > > > 
> > > > >    it was really good to talk to you last night regarding the
> > > > >    common app
> > > > > 
> > > > > installer work. I am very interested in seeing what I can
> > > > > bring to the table with regards to this project.
> > > > > 
> > > > > First off you now have my contact details and perhaps we can
> > > > > discuss all this further over a coffee before you go.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In the meantime I'm going to do some catch-up on what you
> > > > > mentioning to
> > > > 
> > > > me!
> > > > 
> > > > Awesome. Let me introduce you to Frank Karlitschek & the bretzn
> > > > team!
> > > > 
> > > > Guys, I spoke last night wit Andrew Mee who mentioned he has
> > > > once been thinking about and working a bit on a payment system
> > > > for open source app store
> > > > stuff. He's knowledgable in this area and might be able to help
> > > > you guys out
> > > > in this rather complicated area! Subscribe him to the list and
> > > > be sure to suck
> > > > him in ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Also be sure to keep Vincent in the loop, as well as the other
> > > > distro people!
> > > > 
> > > > > :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks Again,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Andrew Mee
> > > > > +61401665068
> > 
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