Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Gustav Degreef
gustav97 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 25 19:56:26 BST 2021
Hi Jeremy,
No luck. I downloaded the zip file to a directory in my home folder.
Unpacked it and ran the commands. Here is the result:
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> qmake
/home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:4: Unknown test
function: qtHaveModule
/home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:5: Unknown test
function: qtHaveModule
Project MESSAGE: Warning: unknown QT: texttospeech
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> make
Some of the required modules (qtHaveModule(gui)) are not available.
Skipped.
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> hello_speak
If 'hello_speak' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup
the package that contains it, like this:
cnf hello_speak
I'm running Plasma 5.18.6, Frameworks 5.71.0, Qt 5.12.7 and kernel
5.3.18-lp152.95-preempt. All the sofware is from the stock installation
and upgrades of opensuse 15.2. Any suggestions? Thanks, Gustav
On 10/25/21 5:01 PM, Jeremy Whi
> Gustav,
>
> Yeah, it's a bit weird since the example code is in git next to the
> QTextToSpeech sources. I've included a zip file of the version from Qt
> 5.15.2. You should be able to build it with:
>
> cd hello_speak
> qmake
> make
>
> then run hello_speak to see the gui and try QTextToSpeech directly.
> Since we've ruled out speech-dispatcher layer it's likely one of the
> following:
>
> 1. QtTextToSpeech is somehow sending the text to both of it's plugins
> (there are 2 plugins for it on linux, flite, and speech-dispatcher,
> it's only supposed to use one of them, but maybe some settings on your
> device have it sending to both?)
> 2. QtTextToSpeech speech-dispatcher plugin is sending the text to
> speech-dispatcher twice somehow.
>
> In the example app's gui you can select which plugin it's using from
> the "Engine" combo box. See if you get duplication when using flite
> (if flite is an option, maybe it's not depending what your
> distribution ships) and speech-dispatcher and Default.
>
> Just curious which distribution are you using? Also which version of
> it? Maybe I can recreate in a virtual machine here once I know those 2
> answers.
>
> thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 3:15 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Jeremy for the detailed explanation and suggestions. I
> was only
> aware of some parts of the machanisms behind KDE tts.
>
> 1) In my case, there is no ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher
> directory.|Â
> In my /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
> AddModule "espeak"Â "sd-espeak"Â "espeak.conf" is the only
> uncommented
> line in the relevant section.|
> 2) the command spd-say "Hello" outputs only one normal
> sounding voice.
> 3) I looked at
> https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
> <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> but can't
> figure out what program to use, what command to run or what code to
> download to compile. I tried every variation of commands such
> as "Qt
> text-to-speech example", "QtTextToSpeech example" and many others
> without success, it always returns cnf. I googled to see what I
> might be
> missing. I looked in my setup software packages for relevant code
> without success.
> 4. The duplicate voices occur both with Okular and Kmouth.
>
>
> On 10/25/21 12:25 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > Gustav,
> >
> > This sounds like a pretty tricky issue to find the cause of. Some
> > explanation of how it all fits together may help though. If you're
> > already aware of this just ignore it, but it may help find the
> cause.
> >
> > Speech-dispatcher itself is a daemon that has modules for various
> > synthesizers, espeak, festival, pico, etc. It is usually
> configured so
> > one synthesizer is the default, but many can be set up to use for
> > example if the default doesn't support the wanted language a
> fallback
> > synthesizer can be used.
> >
> > Qt Text-to-speech is a library that kmouth, okular, plasma, etc.
> use
> > to interact with speech-dispatcher on linux (and sapi on windows,
> > voiceover on mac, android tts on android, etc.)
> >
> > Firefox if I remember correctly talks directly to speech-dispatcher
> > using libspeechd so isn't going through Qt's text-to-speech library.
> >
> > Some things you could try to see if you can narrow it down:
> >
> > 1. Find out which synthesizer speech-dispatcher is configured to
> use
> > by default. If festival is not running it's likely espeak-ng.
> spd-conf
> > or sending along or checking yourself your
> > ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher/*.conf files should say which one is
> > default.
> > 2. If spd-say "Hello" from a command line sounds ok and doesn't
> > duplicate text then speech-dispatcher is not the problem.
> > 3. Run Qt text-to-speech example
> > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> <-- may
> > need to build from source, unless your distribution happens to
> have a
> > package for it. If audio is duplicated when using that then the
> > problem is in Qt text-to-speech library itself.
> > 4. If the example sounds fine, then the problem is either in
> okular's
> > use of QTextToSpeech library (i.e. maybe it's trying to run 2 audio
> > jobs at the same time possibly?)
> >
> > Hope that helps narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Jeremy
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:49 AM Gustav Degreef
> <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >Â Â Â Unfortunately Festival does not seem the culprit for the
> double
> >Â Â Â stream
> >Â Â Â in either Kmouth or Okular. When I run top (without
> Kmouth or Okular
> >   running) festival is not running in either case. When
> I try to
> >Â Â Â read a
> >Â Â Â pdf with Okular or when trying to speak out text with
> Kmouth, top
> >Â Â Â DOES
> >   NOT show Festival running in either case. In all
> these cases
> >Â Â Â espeak is
> >   running, as seen in top. When Okular and Kmouth are
> putting out
> >Â Â Â the two
> >Â Â Â simultaneous voices, and I KILL the process for espeak,
> ALL speech
> >   output stops.  I have no idea of how to track this
> down
> >   further. The
> >Â Â Â problem never happens with Jovie or Speak Aloud plugin in
> Firefox.Â
> >   Thanks, Gustav.
> >
> >Â Â Â On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >   > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many
> >Â Â Â voices from many
> >   > countries available to use. So you don't want to be
> running
> >Â Â Â espeak or you
> >Â Â Â > don't want to be running festival-server one or the
> other.ÂÂ
> >Â Â Â That should
> >   > solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth
> configuration it starts up
> >Â Â Â > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to
> leave you with
> >Â Â Â > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
> >Â Â Â > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never
> seen in
> >Â Â Â this life.
> >Â Â Â > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing
> it and
> >Â Â Â see how far
> >   > I don't get. I did software testing for the federal
> government
> >Â Â Â before
> >Â Â Â > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several
> ssd and
> >Â Â Â sata disks
> >Â Â Â > I can use.
> >Â Â Â >
> >Â Â Â >
> >Â Â Â > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >Â Â Â >
> >Â Â Â >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful
> reply. I
> >Â Â Â really appreciate
> >   >> your taking this seriously.  I tried Kmouth
> again (after
> >   years). It has:
> >Â Â Â >>
> >   >> 1) the same problem as Okular. It
> speaks the text in
> >Â Â Â two simultaneous
> >Â Â Â >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding
> voice)
> >Â Â Â of the same text
> >Â Â Â >> so the output is incomprehensible.
> >   >> 2) no way to stop the speech output. No pause
> and no resume.
> >   >> 3) It opens a separate window, that I have to
> look for it
> >Â Â Â on the taskbar -
> >Â Â Â >> when it is in the background.
> >Â Â Â >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another
> >   application), I have
> >   >> to navigate to the start button (or other
> button), this
> >Â Â Â is cumbersome.
> >Â Â Â >>
> >Â Â Â >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted
> person, but
> >Â Â Â for the partially
> >   >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration. A
> typical task I
> >Â Â Â do is writing
> >Â Â Â >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back
> to me the
> >Â Â Â sentences,
> >Â Â Â >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a
> >   sitting).  This helps
> >   >> in revising and editing any significant work. The
> >Â Â Â difference in functionality
> >Â Â Â >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other
> tasks) are
> >Â Â Â pretty huge.
> >Â Â Â >>
> >Â Â Â >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease
> of use
> >Â Â Â of Jovie,
> >   >> great. I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
> >Â Â Â >>
> >Â Â Â >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> >Â Â Â >>> Gustav, Simon,
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't
> >Â Â Â considered those
> >Â Â Â >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one
> of the
> >Â Â Â following to
> >Â Â Â >>> remedy the situation.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
> >Â Â Â >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it
> has bit
> >Â Â Â rotted
> >Â Â Â >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some
> love and
> >Â Â Â attention anyway.
> >Â Â Â >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following
> >Â Â Â features to be
> >Â Â Â >>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control
> over the
> >Â Â Â queue to
> >Â Â Â >>> remove entries, etc.
> >Â Â Â >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices
> quickly.
> >Â Â Â >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able
> to speak,
> >Â Â Â play, stop,
> >Â Â Â >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
> >Â Â Â >>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice
> settings that
> >Â Â Â were separate
> >Â Â Â >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we
> should be
> >Â Â Â able to control
> >Â Â Â >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.)
> directly
> >Â Â Â by manipulating
> >Â Â Â >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the
> >Â Â Â configuration gui
> >Â Â Â >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's
> .conf
> >Â Â Â files and have a
> >Â Â Â >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them.
> I'm not
> >Â Â Â sure if that's
> >Â Â Â >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet
> or not. If
> >Â Â Â not it
> >Â Â Â >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other
> items should
> >Â Â Â be pretty
> >Â Â Â >>> straightforward.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> thanks,
> >Â Â Â >>> Jeremy
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef
> >Â Â Â <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
> >Â Â Â >>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to
> address this
> >Â Â Â directly.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is
> indispensable
> >Â Â Â for those of us
> >   >>>   who are partially sighted (not
> blind).? In my
> >Â Â Â opinion, a screen
> >   >>>   reader
> >   >>>   (very useful for the blind) actually
> gets in the way
> >Â Â Â for people
> >   >>>   like me.
> >   >>>   ? ? Jovie does a very
> simple and
> >Â Â Â straightforward task - it reads
> >   >>>   the most
> >   >>>   recent content of the
> clipboard.? Jovie allows for
> >Â Â Â selecting text
> >   >>>   (and
> >   >>>   reading it out) in virtually all of the
> major
> >Â Â Â applications/tasks (and
> >   >>>   virtually all others) that a primarily
> desktop user
> >Â Â Â needs for
> >   >>>   every day
> >   >>>   use.? Those functions/tasks
> where?ÂÂÂ
> >Â Â Â jovie/replacement is needed are:
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate
> >   >>>   2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird
> >   >>>   3) browser - imc Firefox
> >   >>>   4) pdf reader - imc Okular
> >   >>>   5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
> >   >>>   6) text from "program to user output"
> (error messages,
> >Â Â Â text boxes,
> >   >>>   command line output, etc).
> >   >>>   7) miscellaneous programs not so often
> used.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   In my experience/opinion:
> >   >>>   Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and
> requires too
> >Â Â Â many steps.
> >   >>>   using the command line adds several
> steps that disturb
> >Â Â Â the flow of
> >   >>>   work,
> >   >>>   it is not simple to have to switch
> windows and then
> >Â Â Â have to type a
> >   >>>   command.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   Indispensable (for partially sighted)
> aspects of Jovie
> >Â Â Â or Jovie
> >   >>>   replacement:
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks
> or steps or
> >Â Â Â commands to get
> >   >>>   speech output. - ideal use is with
> mouse or keyboard
> >Â Â Â shortcut.
> >   >>>   Currently
> >   >>>   jovie takes three simple steps with
> mouse or keyboard
> >Â Â Â shortcut - text
> >   >>>   select, text copy,? then
> start/etc. speech output.
> >   >>>   2) being able to select all or ONLY
> part of a piece of
> >Â Â Â text - with
> >   >>>   the
> >   >>>   mouse or shortcut.
> >   >>>   3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume
> speech output
> >Â Â Â with mouse or
> >   >>>   shortcut.
> >   >>>   4) Sits in system tray or functions
> from menu that
> >Â Â Â appears on right
> >   >>>   click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   There are currently add ons to programs
> that COULD
> >Â Â Â fulfill most of
> >   >>>   these
> >   >>>   requirements,? however they do
> not all work well:
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in
> function for tts.
> >   >>>   2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin:
> very limited, it
> >Â Â Â reads the ENTIRE
> >   >>>   message with some headers. Does not
> allow for
> >Â Â Â selecting a portion
> >   >>>   of the
> >   >>>   text, can't stop, can't
> pause/resume.? Totally
> >Â Â Â inadequate for a
> >   >>>   bottom
> >   >>>   posted list message.
> >   >>>   3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:?ÂÂ
> works quite well,
> >Â Â Â has all needed
> >   >>>   functions.
> >   >>>   4) Okular - nice built in tts function,
> easy to select
> >Â Â Â text, right
> >   >>>   click
> >   >>>   mouse to output speech.?ÂÂÂ
> However it outputs (at
> >Â Â Â least on
> >   >>>   opensuse) two
> >   >>>   simultaneous speech streams (of the
> same text) with
> >Â Â Â different
> >   >>>   voices and
> >   >>>   it is impossible to understand.
> >   >>>   5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but
> it is cumbersome
> >Â Â Â and adds
> >   >>>   several
> >   >>>   steps.? It has a nice feature
> to output the
> >Â Â Â contents of the
> >   >>>   clipboard
> >   >>>   but it requires too many steps.
> >   >>>   6) program to user output - kmouth or
> command line
> >Â Â Â seem the only
> >   >>>   alternative to Jovie
> >   >>>   7) miscellaneous programs (with no
> plugins or built in
> >Â Â Â tts)? -
> >   >>>   same as 6)
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   It seems clear that a lot of developers
> are aware/are
> >Â Â Â working on
> >   >>>   tts for
> >   >>>   various programs, and that is very
> encouraging and
> >Â Â Â great. However,
> >   >>>   it is
> >   >>>   a time of great transition and the tts
> functions
> >Â Â Â (without Jovie) are
> >   >>>   quite inadequate for the partially
> sighted (for
> >Â Â Â example, from macular
> >   >>>   degeneration which is fairly common).
> Thanks, Gustav.
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >   >>>   On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> >   >>>   > Hello all,
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   > I've been quietly watching this
> conversation for a
> >Â Â Â bit but need to
> >   >>>   > chime in here. I'm the one that
> changed the name
> >Â Â Â from ktts to Jovie
> >   >>>   > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie
> itself when
> >Â Â Â QtSpeech came
> >   >>>   about.
> >   >>>   > I'm very curious about what use cases
> there still
> >Â Â Â are for Jovie.
> >   >>>   > Shortly before the name change from
> ktts to Jovie it was
> >   >>>   drastically
> >   >>>   > changed to just be a gui on top of
> >Â Â Â Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
> >   >>>   > library does the same thing but has
> no gui, is only
> >Â Â Â useful from
> >   >>>   > applications. My question is what do
> you use Jovie
> >Â Â Â for exactly?
> >   >>>   Here
> >   >>>   > are the ways replacements using
> QtSpeech "Just Work"
> >Â Â Â in my mind.
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   > Want to hear notifications from any
> KDE application
> >Â Â Â like Jovie/ktts
> >   >>>   > did? Turn that on in the
> application's notifications
> >   >>>   configuration. It
> >   >>>   > uses QtSpeech to speak the
> notification, title,
> >Â Â Â message or both.
> >   >>>   Just
> >   >>>   > like it did previously with ktts/jovie.
> >   >>>   > Want to read a document out loud? Use
> Okular's
> >Â Â Â QtSpeech actions in
> >   >>>   > it's menu. It sends either the
> selected text or the
> >Â Â Â current page
> >   >>> Â��  to be
> >   >>>   > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly
> for listening
> >Â Â Â to the document.
> >   >>>   > Want to read out loud a web article
> of some kind?
> >Â Â Â Use Firefox's tts
> >   >>>   > features to read it out to you. It
> doesn't use
> >Â Â Â QtSpeech, but
> >   >>>   interacts
> >   >>>   > with speech-dispatcher directly if I
> recall correctly.
> >   >>>   > Want to type some text and hear it
> spoken? This can
> >Â Â Â be done in a
> >   >>>   > number of ways. 1. spd-say command
> line tool. 2.
> >Â Â Â espeak or
> >   >>>   espeak-ng
> >   >>>   > or festival, or pico or any other tts
> directly from
> >Â Â Â command
> >   >>>   line. 3.
> >   >>>   > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a
> gui. KMouth uses
> >   >>>   speech-dispatcher
> >   >>>   > directly if I recall correctly and
> provides a nice
> >Â Â Â gui with a
> >   >>>   > customizable dictionary of commonly
> used words, etc.
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   > With the above, what is the use of
> Jovie anymore? If
> >Â Â Â there's a use
> >   >>>   > case that isn't covered by the above
> we can
> >Â Â Â certainly revive
> >   >>>   Jovie and
> >   >>>   > fill the gap if there is one, but in
> my mind the
> >Â Â Â above uses are
> >   >>>   > already covered.
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   > thanks,
> >   >>>   > Jeremy Whiting
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude
> DaShiell
> >   >>>   <jdashiel at panix.com
> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>>
> >   >>>   > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>
> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>>>> wrote:
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? Quite
> agree with you on that
> >   score.??? A new version of
> >   >>>   redcore
> >   >>>   >? ? ? Linux is
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? available for download and it has a
> >Â Â Â very current kernel
> >   >>>   and its
> >   >>>   >? ? ? default
> >   >>>   >? ? ? desktop
> is kde plasma.??? Maybe
> >Â Â Â one thing jovie might do
> >   >>>   when
> >   >>>   >? ? ? started
> up is
> >   >>>   >? ? ? to
> locate something like espeak-ng
> >Â Â Â or espeak or
> >   >>>   speech-dispatcher and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? start
> those up first then come up on
> >Â Â Â its own.??? If it finds
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the
> >Â Â Â user to run spd-conf
> >   >>>   to get
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? speech-dispatcher configured
> >Â Â Â correctly but could generate
> >   >>>   a default
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? spd.conf file and let the user know
> >Â Â Â that it's there and maybe
> >   >>>   >? ? ? reconfigure
> >   >>>   >? ? ? if
> problems arise.
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? On Thu,
> 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef
> >Â Â Â wrote:
> >   >>>   >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> Festival was not much of an
> >Â Â Â improvement in voice
> >   >>>   quality.???
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? Embrola, as you
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > say,
> was too difficult to
> >   configure.??? I'll check out
> >   >>>   Fenrir,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? and
> tdsr but the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > voice
> quality is TOTALLY secondary
> >Â Â Â - a smoothly working
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? jovie/espeak (or
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> equivalent) is quite adequate to
> >   get things done.???Â
> >   >>>   Which in
> >   >>>   >? ? ? theend
> is really
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > the
> important thing. Gustav
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > On
> 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell
> >Â Â Â wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> fenrir and tdsr are a couple
> >Â Â Â more to check out and
> >   >>>   mbrola and
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? festival can
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> maybe help the human speech
> >Â Â Â situation though not easily
> >   >>>   >? ? ? configured.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > > On
> Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav
> >Â Â Â Degreef wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts
> >Â Â Â quite some years ago.????
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? Qtspeech is supposed
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> to
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> be
> a partial replacement, but
> >Â Â Â there is no frontend
> >   >>>   program to
> >   >>>   >? ? ? manage the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> output of speechdispatcher
> >Â Â Â (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
> >   >>>   works
> >   >>>   >? ? ? fine
> for me, but
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> bothers everyne else who
> >Â Â Â listens to my computer
> >   >>>   outptut (my
> >   >>>   >? ? ? partner and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> friends).???? e-speak is
> >Â Â Â clear enough, just does
> >   >>>   not sound
> >   >>>   >? ? ? like a
> person.???
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> Good,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> I'll look into espeak-ng,
> >Â Â Â thanks! Gustav
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> On
> 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude
> >Â Â Â DaShiell wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> I
> had read somewhere ktts was
> >Â Â Â supposed to have replaced
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? jovie.??? Also,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> espeak-ng is a successor to
> >   espeak.??? It's good
> >   >>>   you got any
> >   >>>   >? ? ? of this
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> working.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> ---------- Forwarded message
> >Â Â Â ---------- Date: Thu,
> >   >>>   21 Oct
> >   >>>   >? ? ? 2021
> 04:36:27
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> From: Gustav Degreef
> >Â Â Â <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
> >   >>>   <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>>>
> >   >>>   To: Simion
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> <simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>
> >   >>>   <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com
> <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>>>,
> >   >>>   >? ? ?
> kde-accessibility at kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
> >   >>>   <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>>
> >   >>>   <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
> >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? Subject: Re: Is there a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> project that is jovie successor?
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> Hi Simion,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> Thanks for your input and
> >   effort.????? ????? I
> >   >>>   carefuly looked
> >   >>>   >? ? ? over
> everything
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> you
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> mentioned, including the
> >Â Â Â script but it has taken me
> >   >>>   a long
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> ? time.????? ????? I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> only
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> have a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> rudimentary?????? knowledge of
> >   >>>  ÂÂ
> scripts.????? ????? ????? So
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? modifying or writing
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> scripts
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> is beyond
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> my current possibility,
> >Â Â Â especially with my vision
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> ? problems.????? ????? But it
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> really
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> helped me to look everything
> >   over.????? ????? I
> >   >>>   decided the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? best
> way was to go
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> back
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> to
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> trying to install it from the
> >Â Â Â opensuse
> >   >>>   repos.????? ????? I had
> >   >>>   >? ? ? failed
> the first
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> time and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> created a great confusion in
> >Â Â Â my setup. But it was a
> >   >>>   spare
> >   >>>   >? ? ? "test"
> setup on
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> separate
> >   partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of
> >   >>>   time cleaning
> >   >>>   >? ? ? up the
> repos,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> updating and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> cleaning up. And now Jovie
> >Â Â Â works on opensuse
> >   >>>   15.3!????? ?????
> >   >>>   >? ? ? The
> packages come
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> from
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> unofficial repos, but someone
> >Â Â Â else with the tech
> >   >>>   knowhow has
> >   >>>   >? ? ? put it
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> together.????? ?
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> I
> am "forced" to upgrade soon,
> >Â Â Â since the opensuse
> >   >>> Â��  15.2 EOL
> >   >>>   >? ? ? is
> soon.????? ????
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> But
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> now I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> can move forward hopefully for
> >Â Â Â another 1.5 years,
> >   >>>   the life
> >   >>>   >? ? ? of 15.3
> until a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> better solution
> >   comes.????? ????? I hope you or
> >   >>>   someone else
> >   >>>   >? ? ? can
> help come up
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> with
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> replacement for
> >   Jovie.????? ????? Thanks for your
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> ? efforts.????? ????? Gustav.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> p.s. I'm posting back on the
> >Â Â Â list in case it may help
> >   >>>   >? ? ? someone
> else.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav
> >Â Â Â Degreef wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> Hi Gustav,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> I personally would try to
> >Â Â Â compile it, if I am
> >   >>>   unable I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? would
> try first a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> simple bash script, the
> >Â Â Â issue with next script is
> >   >>>   that is not
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> queuing????????????? the
> >Â Â Â tasks so you can get 2
> >   >>>   speakers at
> >   >>>   >? ? ? the
> same time
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> or
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> you
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> can edit the script to
> >Â Â Â "killall" previous taks (so an
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? application that
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> runs
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> in background would be
> >Â Â Â needed to improve the
> >   >>>   experience)
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> #! /bin/bash
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> xclip -out -selection
> >Â Â Â primary | xclip -in
> >   >>>   -selection clipboard
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" "
> >Â Â Â " | espeak
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> #end script
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> or maybe python or nodejs
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> I am tempted to write
> >Â Â Â something to do some
> >   >>>   cleanup on the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? input,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> like when I want to read an
> >Â Â Â entire reddit page of
> >   >>>   omments
> >   >>>   >? ? ? would
> be nice
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> if
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> could????????????? clean it
> >   up?????????????Â
> >   >>>   first and remove
> >   >>>   >? ? ? all the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> "reply/report
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> ..." buttons labels
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> The reason I decided that in
> >Â Â Â future I would use
> >   >>>   espeak is
> >   >>>   >? ? ? because
> in my
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> current configuration jovie
> >Â Â Â uses speech
> >   >>>   dispatcher and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? speech
> dispatcher
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> uses
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra
> >Â Â Â layer so a new placed
> >   >>>   that
> >   >>>   >? ? ? could cause
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> problems
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> (but yes Qt5 would be nice
> >Â Â Â to have if you plant
> >   >>>   to write a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? cross
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> operating
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> system desktop application).
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> I have no plans to upgrade
> >Â Â Â from my system
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> ? soon,????????????? maybe when I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> will
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> upgrade my computer or I am
> >Â Â Â forced to upgrade.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> You probably need to install
> >Â Â Â and configure
> >   >>>   espeak, the
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? language and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> speed,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> you can have a key bind
> >   to????????????? run the
> >   >>>   script, you
> >   >>>   >? ? ? can
> modify the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> script
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> to????????????? add
> >Â Â Â something like "killall
> >   >>>   espeak" to stop
> >   >>>   >? ? ? the
> previous
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> Sorry I can't help more.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> Regards, Simion
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> Hi Simion,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> Thanks for taking the time
> >Â Â Â and for your effort.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav
> >Â Â Â Degreef wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> Hi Simion,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed
> >   reply.????????????? I use
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? opensuse leap 15.2
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> with
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> KDE
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7.
> >   ????????????? Jovie
> >   >>>   continues to
> >   >>>   >? ? ? work
> fine even
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> though
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> it has been
> >   deprecated.????????????? However,
> >   >>>   it no longer
> >   >>>   >? ? ? works on
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> opensuse
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life
> >Â Â Â is in December this year.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? Someone
> has built
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the
> >Â Â Â Open Build Service of
> >   >>>   Suse, but
> >   >>>   >? ? ? I could not
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> get
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> it
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> to install properly, I
> >Â Â Â think it's due to the Qt
> >   >>>   changes,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? I got a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> dependency
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> mess.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> I have been trying to find
> >Â Â Â a replacement for
> >   >>>   Jovie for 3
> >   >>>   >? ? ? years at
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> least,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> since it was clear it would
> >Â Â Â no longer be
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> ? maintained.????????????? Read
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> Aloud
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> is
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that
> >Â Â Â fills all the browser
> >   >>>   needs.
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? Thunderbird also
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> has
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it
> >Â Â Â only works for
> >   >>>   single emails
> >   >>>   >? ? ? and top
> posted
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> replies, list messages,
> >   etc.????????????? It
> >   >>>   reads only
> >   >>>   >? ? ? from top to
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> bottom
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> without being able to
> >Â Â Â select only parts of the
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? mail.??????????
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> LibreOffice
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin
> >Â Â Â that even reads the
> >   >>>   clipboard
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? contents, but
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>> it
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> is cumbersome.????????????
> >Â Â Â Okular has a nice TTS
> >   >>>   function,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? but it
> often
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> starts
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> two different simultaneous
> >Â Â Â but voices of the
> >   >>>   same text
> >   >>>   >? ? ? which
> can't be
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> understood.????????????
> >Â Â Â Sometimes id functions
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> ? fine.????????????? That is
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> where I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> use TTS the most, and
> >Â Â Â periodically to read out error
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? messages, text
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> boxes
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is
> >Â Â Â indispensable and for
> >   >>>   which I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? don't
> have an
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> adequate
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> substitute).
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> Any
> >Â Â Â suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
> >   >>>   Jovie from
> >   >>>   >? ? ? a tar
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> binary?????????????? Or
> >Â Â Â are you seriously
> >   >>>   thinking of
> >   >>>   >? ? ? building a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> replacement
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> for
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion
> >Â Â Â wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> Hi, no problem ,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no
> >Â Â Â Simon, don't worry it
> >   >>>   is OK
> >   >>>   >? ? ? just
> want to
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> mention
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like
> >Â Â Â typos in emails
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my
> >Â Â Â fork with a few
> >   >>>   crash fixes
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I
> >Â Â Â use directly espeak .
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to
> >Â Â Â give up on Jovie but my
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? conclussion was to not
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> use
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my
> >Â Â Â own replacement,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> since I would not need
> >Â Â Â some crossplatform
> >   >>>   solution I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? could
> probably
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> make
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>> a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> python application , or
> >Â Â Â even something that
> >   >>>   runs in the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>  Â
> browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
> >   >>>   >? ? ? or nodejs.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I
> >Â Â Â can still compile
> >   >>>   jovie , I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? have a
> keyboard
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> with
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my
> >Â Â Â workflow is to copy
> >   >>>   paste stuff
> >   >>>   >? ? ? in
> clipboard
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> and
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> using my keys I can
> >Â Â Â play/pause/resume. I still use
> >   >>>   >? ? ? espeak
> as backend
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> with
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> voice speed set to max.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM,
> >Â Â Â Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> Hello Simon,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on
> >Â Â Â the accessibility
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> >   >>>  Â
> list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? also have
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> serious
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> eye
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> >   >>>  Â
> >Â Â
>  blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> >   >>>   >? ? ? have been
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> using
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> Jovie
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> for most of my computer
> >Â Â Â time for years and I
> >   >>>   am trying
> >   >>>   >? ? ? to find a
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> replacement for
> >   >>>   >? ?
> >Â Â
>  ? it.????????????????????????????????????????????????ÂÂ
> In
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> my
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader
> >Â Â Â is not
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> >   >>>  Â
> suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
> >   >>>   >? ? ? Excuse
> me for
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> writing
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> you
> >   >>>   >? ?
> >Â Â
>  ? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
> >   >>>   Can I ask
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> you
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> more about this
> >   >>>   >? ?
> >   ? issue??????????????????????????????????????????????
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> Gustav
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM,
> >Â Â Â Simion wrote:
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that
> >Â Â Â jovie is not be ported
> >   >>>   to KDE5
> >   >>>   >? ? ? and
> that the
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> idea
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't
> >Â Â Â find if someone
> >   >>>   started a
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? replacement for
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> jovie
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate
> >Â Â Â QtSpeech and see if it
> >   >>>   works
> >   >>>   >? ? ? properly on
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> Linux,
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> if
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>> there is no such a
> >Â Â Â project started is there any
> >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? interest in it?
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >   >>>   >
> >Â Â Â >>>
> >Â Â Â >>
> >Â Â Â >>
> >
>
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