Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)

Gustav Degreef gustav97 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 25 19:56:26 BST 2021


Hi Jeremy,

No luck.  I downloaded the zip file to a directory in my home folder.  
Unpacked it and ran the commands.  Here is the result:

user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> qmake
/home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:4: Unknown test 
function: qtHaveModule
/home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:5: Unknown test 
function: qtHaveModule
Project MESSAGE: Warning: unknown QT: texttospeech
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> make
Some of the required modules (qtHaveModule(gui)) are not available.
Skipped.
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> hello_speak
If 'hello_speak' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup 
the package that contains it, like this:
     cnf hello_speak

I'm running Plasma  5.18.6,  Frameworks 5.71.0, Qt 5.12.7 and kernel  
5.3.18-lp152.95-preempt.  All the sofware is from the stock installation 
and upgrades of opensuse 15.2.    Any suggestions?   Thanks, Gustav

On 10/25/21 5:01 PM, Jeremy Whi
> Gustav,
>
> Yeah, it's a bit weird since the example code is in git next to the 
> QTextToSpeech sources. I've included a zip file of the version from Qt 
> 5.15.2. You should be able to build it with:
>
> cd hello_speak
> qmake
> make
>
> then run hello_speak to see the gui and try QTextToSpeech directly. 
> Since we've ruled out speech-dispatcher layer it's likely one of the 
> following:
>
> 1. QtTextToSpeech is somehow sending the text to both of it's plugins 
> (there are 2 plugins for it on linux, flite, and speech-dispatcher, 
> it's only supposed to use one of them, but maybe some settings on your 
> device have it sending to both?)
> 2. QtTextToSpeech speech-dispatcher plugin is sending the text to 
> speech-dispatcher twice somehow.
>
> In the example app's gui you can select which plugin it's using from 
> the "Engine" combo box. See if you get duplication when using flite 
> (if flite is an option, maybe it's not depending what your 
> distribution ships) and speech-dispatcher and Default.
>
> Just curious which distribution are you using? Also which version of 
> it? Maybe I can recreate in a virtual machine here once I know those 2 
> answers.
>
> thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 3:15 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks Jeremy for the detailed explanation and suggestions.  I
>     was only
>     aware of some parts of the machanisms behind KDE tts.
>
>     1) In my case, there is no  ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher
>     directory.|Â
>     In my /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
>     AddModule "espeak"  "sd-espeak"  "espeak.conf" is the only
>     uncommented
>     line in the relevant section.|
>     2) the command  spd-say "Hello"  outputs only one normal
>     sounding voice.
>     3) I looked at
>     https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
>     <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
>     <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
>     <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> but can't
>     figure out what program to use, what command to run or what code to
>     download to compile.  I tried every variation of commands such
>     as  "Qt
>     text-to-speech example", "QtTextToSpeech example" and many others
>     without success, it always returns cnf. I googled to see what I
>     might be
>     missing.  I looked in my setup software packages for relevant code
>     without success.
>     4.  The duplicate voices occur both with Okular and Kmouth.
>
>
>     On 10/25/21 12:25 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>     > Gustav,
>     >
>     > This sounds like a pretty tricky issue to find the cause of. Some
>     > explanation of how it all fits together may help though. If you're
>     > already aware of this just ignore it, but it may help find the
>     cause.
>     >
>     > Speech-dispatcher itself is a daemon that has modules for various
>     > synthesizers, espeak, festival, pico, etc. It is usually
>     configured so
>     > one synthesizer is the default, but many can be set up to use for
>     > example if the default doesn't support the wanted language a
>     fallback
>     > synthesizer can be used.
>     >
>     > Qt Text-to-speech is a library that kmouth, okular, plasma, etc.
>     use
>     > to interact with speech-dispatcher on linux (and sapi on windows,
>     > voiceover on mac, android tts on android, etc.)
>     >
>     > Firefox if I remember correctly talks directly to speech-dispatcher
>     > using libspeechd so isn't going through Qt's text-to-speech library.
>     >
>     > Some things you could try to see if you can narrow it down:
>     >
>     > 1. Find out which synthesizer speech-dispatcher is configured to
>     use
>     > by default. If festival is not running it's likely espeak-ng.
>     spd-conf
>     > or sending along or checking yourself your
>     > ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher/*.conf files should say which one is
>     > default.
>     > 2. If spd-say "Hello" from a command line sounds ok and doesn't
>     > duplicate text then speech-dispatcher is not the problem.
>     > 3. Run Qt text-to-speech example
>     > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
>     <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
>     > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
>     <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> <-- may
>     > need to build from source, unless your distribution happens to
>     have a
>     > package for it. If audio is duplicated when using that then the
>     > problem is in Qt text-to-speech library itself.
>     > 4. If the example sounds fine, then the problem is either in
>     okular's
>     > use of QTextToSpeech library (i.e. maybe it's trying to run 2 audio
>     > jobs at the same time possibly?)
>     >
>     > Hope that helps narrow it down a bit.
>     >
>     > thanks,
>     > Jeremy
>     >
>     > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:49 AM Gustav Degreef
>     <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>     > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Unfortunately Festival does not seem the culprit for the
>     double
>     >     stream
>     >     in either Kmouth or Okular. When I run top (without
>     Kmouth or Okular
>     >     running) festival is not running in either case.  When
>     I try to
>     >     read a
>     >     pdf with Okular or when trying to speak out text with
>     Kmouth, top
>     >     DOES
>     >     NOT show Festival running in either case.  In all
>     these cases
>     >     espeak is
>     >     running, as seen in top.  When Okular and Kmouth are
>     putting out
>     >     the two
>     >     simultaneous voices, and I KILL the process for espeak,
>     ALL speech
>     >     output stops.   I have no idea of how to track this
>     down
>     >     further.  The
>     >     problem never happens with Jovie or Speak Aloud plugin in
>     Firefox.Â
>     >     Thanks,  Gustav.
>     >
>     >     On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>     >     > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many
>     >     voices from many
>     >     > countries available to use.  So you don't want to be
>     running
>     >     espeak or you
>     >     > don't want to be running festival-server one or the
>     other.ÂÂ
>     >     That should
>     >     > solve that problem.  Somewhere in kmouth
>     configuration it starts up
>     >     > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to
>     leave you with
>     >     > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
>     >     > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never
>     seen in
>     >     this life.
>     >     > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing
>     it and
>     >     see how far
>     >     > I don't get.  I did software testing for the federal
>     government
>     >     before
>     >     > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several
>     ssd and
>     >     sata disks
>     >     > I can use.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful
>     reply.  I
>     >     really appreciate
>     >     >> your taking this seriously.   I tried Kmouth
>     again (after
>     >     years).  It has:
>     >     >>
>     >     >> 1)  the same problem as Okular.  It
>     speaks the text in
>     >     two simultaneous
>     >     >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding
>     voice)
>     >     of the same text
>     >     >> so the output is incomprehensible.
>     >     >> 2) no way to stop the speech output.  No pause
>     and no resume.
>     >     >> 3)  It opens a separate window, that I have to
>     look for it
>     >     on the taskbar -
>     >     >> when it is in the background.
>     >     >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another
>     >     application),  I have
>     >     >> to  navigate to the start button (or other
>     button),  this
>     >     is cumbersome.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted
>     person, but
>     >     for the partially
>     >     >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration.  A
>     typical task I
>     >     do is writing
>     >     >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back
>     to me the
>     >     sentences,
>     >     >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a
>     >     sitting).   This helps
>     >     >> in revising and editing any significant work.  The
>     >     difference in functionality
>     >     >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other
>     tasks) are
>     >     pretty huge.
>     >     >>
>     >     >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease
>     of use
>     >     of Jovie,
>     >     >> great.  I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
>     >     >>
>     >     >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>     >     >>> Gustav, Simon,
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't
>     >     considered those
>     >     >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one
>     of the
>     >     following to
>     >     >>> remedy the situation.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
>     >     >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it
>     has bit
>     >     rotted
>     >     >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some
>     love and
>     >     attention anyway.
>     >     >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following
>     >     features to be
>     >     >>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control
>     over the
>     >     queue to
>     >     >>> remove entries, etc.
>     >     >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices
>     quickly.
>     >     >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able
>     to speak,
>     >     play, stop,
>     >     >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
>     >     >>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice
>     settings that
>     >     were separate
>     >     >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we
>     should be
>     >     able to control
>     >     >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.)
>     directly
>     >     by manipulating
>     >     >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the
>     >     configuration gui
>     >     >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's
>     .conf
>     >     files and have a
>     >     >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them.
>     I'm not
>     >     sure if that's
>     >     >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet
>     or not. If
>     >     not it
>     >     >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other
>     items should
>     >     be pretty
>     >     >>> straightforward.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> thanks,
>     >     >>> Jeremy
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef
>     >     <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
>     >     >>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to
>     address this
>     >     directly.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is
>     indispensable
>     >     for those of us
>     >     >>>      who are partially sighted (not
>     blind).?  In my
>     >     opinion, a screen
>     >     >>>      reader
>     >     >>>      (very useful for the blind) actually
>     gets in the way
>     >     for people
>     >     >>>      like me.
>     >     >>>      ? ? Jovie does a very
>     simple and
>     >     straightforward task - it reads
>     >     >>>      the most
>     >     >>>      recent content of the
>     clipboard.? Jovie allows for
>     >     selecting text
>     >     >>>      (and
>     >     >>>      reading it out) in virtually all of the
>     major
>     >     applications/tasks (and
>     >     >>>      virtually all others) that a primarily
>     desktop user
>     >     needs for
>     >     >>>      every day
>     >     >>>      use.?  Those functions/tasks
>     where?ÂÂÂ
>     >     jovie/replacement is needed are:
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate
>     >     >>>      2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird
>     >     >>>      3) browser - imc Firefox
>     >     >>>      4) pdf reader - imc Okular
>     >     >>>      5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
>     >     >>>      6) text from "program to user output"
>     (error messages,
>     >     text boxes,
>     >     >>>      command line output, etc).
>     >     >>>      7) miscellaneous programs not so often
>     used.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      In my experience/opinion:
>     >     >>>      Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and
>     requires too
>     >     many steps.
>     >     >>>      using the command line adds several
>     steps that disturb
>     >     the flow of
>     >     >>>      work,
>     >     >>>      it is not simple to have to switch
>     windows and then
>     >     have to type a
>     >     >>>      command.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      Indispensable (for partially sighted)
>     aspects of Jovie
>     >     or Jovie
>     >     >>>      replacement:
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks
>     or steps or
>     >     commands to get
>     >     >>>      speech output. - ideal use is with
>     mouse or keyboard
>     >     shortcut.
>     >     >>>      Currently
>     >     >>>      jovie takes three simple steps with
>     mouse or keyboard
>     >     shortcut - text
>     >     >>>      select, text copy,?  then
>     start/etc. speech output.
>     >     >>>      2) being able to select all or ONLY
>     part of a piece of
>     >     text - with
>     >     >>>      the
>     >     >>>      mouse or shortcut.
>     >     >>>      3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume
>     speech output
>     >     with mouse or
>     >     >>>      shortcut.
>     >     >>>      4) Sits in system tray or functions
>     from menu that
>     >     appears on right
>     >     >>>      click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      There are currently add ons to programs
>     that COULD
>     >     fulfill most of
>     >     >>>      these
>     >     >>>      requirements,? however they do
>     not all work well:
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in
>     function for tts.
>     >     >>>      2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin:
>     very limited, it
>     >     reads the ENTIRE
>     >     >>>      message with some headers. Does not
>     allow for
>     >     selecting a portion
>     >     >>>      of the
>     >     >>>      text, can't stop, can't
>     pause/resume.?  Totally
>     >     inadequate for a
>     >     >>>      bottom
>     >     >>>      posted list message.
>     >     >>>      3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:?ÂÂ
>     works quite well,
>     >     has all needed
>     >     >>>      functions.
>     >     >>>      4) Okular - nice built in tts function,
>     easy to select
>     >     text, right
>     >     >>>      click
>     >     >>>      mouse to output speech.? 
>     However it outputs (at
>     >     least on
>     >     >>>      opensuse) two
>     >     >>>      simultaneous speech streams (of the
>     same text) with
>     >     different
>     >     >>>      voices and
>     >     >>>      it is impossible to understand.
>     >     >>>      5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but
>     it is cumbersome
>     >     and adds
>     >     >>>      several
>     >     >>>      steps.?  It has a nice feature
>     to output the
>     >     contents of the
>     >     >>>      clipboard
>     >     >>>      but it requires too many steps.
>     >     >>>      6) program to user output - kmouth or
>     command line
>     >     seem the only
>     >     >>>      alternative to Jovie
>     >     >>>      7) miscellaneous programs (with no
>     plugins or built in
>     >     tts)? -
>     >     >>>      same as 6)
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      It seems clear that a lot of developers
>     are aware/are
>     >     working on
>     >     >>>      tts for
>     >     >>>      various programs, and that is very
>     encouraging and
>     >     great. However,
>     >     >>>      it is
>     >     >>>      a time of great transition and the tts
>     functions
>     >     (without Jovie) are
>     >     >>>      quite inadequate for the partially
>     sighted (for
>     >     example, from macular
>     >     >>>      degeneration which is fairly common).
>     Thanks, Gustav.
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>>      On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>     >     >>>      > Hello all,
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      > I've been quietly watching this
>     conversation for a
>     >     bit but need to
>     >     >>>      > chime in here. I'm the one that
>     changed the name
>     >     from ktts to Jovie
>     >     >>>      > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie
>     itself when
>     >     QtSpeech came
>     >     >>>      about.
>     >     >>>      > I'm very curious about what use cases
>     there still
>     >     are for Jovie.
>     >     >>>      > Shortly before the name change from
>     ktts to Jovie it was
>     >     >>>      drastically
>     >     >>>      > changed to just be a gui on top of
>     >     Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
>     >     >>>      > library does the same thing but has
>     no gui, is only
>     >     useful from
>     >     >>>      > applications. My question is what do
>     you use Jovie
>     >     for exactly?
>     >     >>>      Here
>     >     >>>      > are the ways replacements using
>     QtSpeech "Just Work"
>     >     in my mind.
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      > Want to hear notifications from any
>     KDE application
>     >     like Jovie/ktts
>     >     >>>      > did? Turn that on in the
>     application's notifications
>     >     >>>      configuration. It
>     >     >>>      > uses QtSpeech to speak the
>     notification, title,
>     >     message or both.
>     >     >>>      Just
>     >     >>>      > like it did previously with ktts/jovie.
>     >     >>>      > Want to read a document out loud? Use
>     Okular's
>     >     QtSpeech actions in
>     >     >>>      > it's menu. It sends either the
>     selected text or the
>     >     current page
>     >     >>>  Â��    to be
>     >     >>>      > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly
>     for listening
>     >     to the document.
>     >     >>>      > Want to read out loud a web article
>     of some kind?
>     >     Use Firefox's tts
>     >     >>>      > features to read it out to you. It
>     doesn't use
>     >     QtSpeech, but
>     >     >>>      interacts
>     >     >>>      > with speech-dispatcher directly if I
>     recall correctly.
>     >     >>>      > Want to type some text and hear it
>     spoken? This can
>     >     be done in a
>     >     >>>      > number of ways. 1. spd-say command
>     line tool. 2.
>     >     espeak or
>     >     >>>      espeak-ng
>     >     >>>      > or festival, or pico or any other tts
>     directly from
>     >     command
>     >     >>>      line. 3.
>     >     >>>      > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a
>     gui. KMouth uses
>     >     >>>      speech-dispatcher
>     >     >>>      > directly if I recall correctly and
>     provides a nice
>     >     gui with a
>     >     >>>      > customizable dictionary of commonly
>     used words, etc.
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      > With the above, what is the use of
>     Jovie anymore? If
>     >     there's a use
>     >     >>>      > case that isn't covered by the above
>     we can
>     >     certainly revive
>     >     >>>      Jovie and
>     >     >>>      > fill the gap if there is one, but in
>     my mind the
>     >     above uses are
>     >     >>>      > already covered.
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      > thanks,
>     >     >>>      > Jeremy Whiting
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude
>     DaShiell
>     >     >>>      <jdashiel at panix.com
>     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
>     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>
>     >     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
>     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>>
>     >     >>>      > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
>     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
>     >     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>
>     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
>     >     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
>     <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>>>> wrote:
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? Quite
>     agree with you on that
>     >     score.???  A new version of
>     >     >>>      redcore
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? Linux is
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? available for download and it has a
>     >     very current kernel
>     >     >>>      and its
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? default
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? desktop
>     is kde plasma.???  Maybe
>     >     one thing jovie might do
>     >     >>>      when
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? started
>     up is
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? to
>     locate something like espeak-ng
>     >     or espeak or
>     >     >>>      speech-dispatcher and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? start
>     those up first then come up on
>     >     its own.??? If it finds
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the
>     >     user to run spd-conf
>     >     >>>      to get
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? speech-dispatcher configured
>     >     correctly but could generate
>     >     >>>      a default
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? spd.conf file and let the user know
>     >     that it's there and maybe
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? reconfigure
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? if
>     problems arise.
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? On Thu,
>     21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef
>     >     wrote:
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     Festival was not much of an
>     >     improvement in voice
>     >     >>>      quality.???
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? Embrola, as you
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > say,
>     was too difficult to
>     >     configure.???  I'll check out
>     >     >>>      Fenrir,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? and
>     tdsr but the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > voice
>     quality is TOTALLY secondary
>     >     - a smoothly working
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? jovie/espeak (or
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     equivalent) is quite adequate to
>     >     get things done.???Â
>     >     >>>      Which in
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? theend
>     is really
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > the
>     important thing. Gustav
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > On
>     10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell
>     >     wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >
>     fenrir and tdsr are a couple
>     >     more to check out and
>     >     >>>      mbrola and
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? festival can
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >
>     maybe help the human speech
>     >     situation though not easily
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? configured.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > > On
>     Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav
>     >     Degreef wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     Actually, Jovie replaced ktts
>     >     quite some years ago.????
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? Qtspeech is supposed
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >> to
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >> be
>     a partial replacement, but
>     >     there is no frontend
>     >     >>>      program to
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? manage the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     output of speechdispatcher
>     >     (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
>     >     >>>      works
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? fine
>     for me, but
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     bothers everyne else who
>     >     listens to my computer
>     >     >>>      outptut (my
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? partner and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     friends).???? e-speak is
>     >     clear enough, just does
>     >     >>>      not sound
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? like a
>     person.???
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >> Good,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     I'll look into espeak-ng,
>     >     thanks! Gustav
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >> On
>     10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude
>     >     DaShiell wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> I
>     had read somewhere ktts was
>     >     supposed to have replaced
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? jovie.???  Also,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     espeak-ng is a successor to
>     >     espeak.???  It's good
>     >     >>>      you got any
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? of this
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     working.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     ---------- Forwarded message
>     >     ---------- Date: Thu,
>     >     >>>      21 Oct
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? 2021
>     04:36:27
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     From: Gustav Degreef
>     >     <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
>     >     >>>      <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
>     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>>>
>     >     >>>      To: Simion
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     <simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>
>     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>
>     >     >>>      <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>
>     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
>     >     <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>>>,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ?
>     kde-accessibility at kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
>     >     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
>     >     >>>      <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
>     >     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>>
>     >     >>>      <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
>     >     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
>     >     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
>     <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? Subject: Re: Is there a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     project that is jovie successor?
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     Hi Simion,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     Thanks for your input and
>     >     effort.????? ?????  I
>     >     >>>      carefuly looked
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? over
>     everything
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> you
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     mentioned, including the
>     >     script but it has taken me
>     >     >>>      a long
>     >     >>>      >?  ?ÂÂ
>     ? time.????? ?????  I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> only
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     have a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     rudimentary??????  knowledge of
>     >     >>>    ÂÂ
>     scripts.????? ????? ?????  So
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? modifying or writing
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     scripts
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     is beyond
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     my current possibility,
>     >     especially with my vision
>     >     >>>      >?  ?ÂÂ
>     ? problems.????? ?????  But it
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     really
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     helped me to look everything
>     >     over.????? ?????  I
>     >     >>>      decided the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? best
>     way was to go
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> back
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> to
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     trying to install it from the
>     >     opensuse
>     >     >>>     repos.????? ?????  I had
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? failed
>     the first
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     time and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     created a great confusion in
>     >     my setup. But it was a
>     >     >>>      spare
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? "test"
>     setup on
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     separate
>     >     partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of
>     >     >>>      time cleaning
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? up the
>     repos,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     updating and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     cleaning up. And now Jovie
>     >     works on opensuse
>     >     >>>     15.3!????? ?????
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? The
>     packages come
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> from
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     unofficial repos, but someone
>     >     else with the tech
>     >     >>>      knowhow has
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? put it
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     together.????? ?
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> I
>     am "forced" to upgrade soon,
>     >     since the opensuse
>     >     >>>  Â��    15.2 EOL
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? is
>     soon.????? ????
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> But
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> now I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     can move forward hopefully for
>     >     another 1.5 years,
>     >     >>>      the life
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? of 15.3
>     until a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     better solution
>     >     comes.????? ?????  I hope you or
>     >     >>>      someone else
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? can
>     help come up
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> with
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>> a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     replacement for
>     >     Jovie.????? ?????  Thanks for your
>     >     >>>      >?  ?ÂÂ
>     ? efforts.????? ?????  Gustav.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     p.s. I'm posting back on the
>     >     list in case it may help
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? someone
>     else.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>
>     On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav
>     >     Degreef wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>
>     On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     Hi Gustav,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     I personally would try to
>     >     compile it, if I am
>     >     >>>      unable I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? would
>     try first a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     simple bash script, the
>     >     issue with next script is
>     >     >>>      that is not
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     queuing????????????? the
>     >     tasks so you can get 2
>     >     >>>      speakers at
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? the
>     same time
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>> or
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>> you
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     can edit the script to
>     >     "killall" previous taks (so an
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? application that
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     runs
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     in background would be
>     >     needed to improve the
>     >     >>>      experience)
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     #! /bin/bash
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     xclip -out -selection
>     >     primary | xclip -in
>     >     >>>      -selection clipboard
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" "
>     >     " | espeak
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     #end script
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     or maybe python or nodejs
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     I am tempted to write
>     >     something to do some
>     >     >>>      cleanup on the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? input,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     like when I want to read an
>     >     entire reddit page of
>     >     >>>      omments
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? would
>     be nice
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>> if
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>> I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     could????????????? clean it
>     >     up?????????????Â
>     >     >>>      first and remove
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? all the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     "reply/report
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     ..." buttons labels
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     The reason I decided that in
>     >     future I would use
>     >     >>>      espeak is
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? because
>     in my
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     current configuration jovie
>     >     uses speech
>     >     >>>      dispatcher and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? speech
>     dispatcher
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     uses
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     espeak , Qt5 is a new extra
>     >     layer so a new placed
>     >     >>>      that
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? could cause
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     problems
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     (but yes Qt5 would be nice
>     >     to have if you plant
>     >     >>>      to write a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? cross
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     operating
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     system desktop application).
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     I have no plans to upgrade
>     >     from my system
>     >     >>>      >?  ?ÂÂ
>     ? soon,?????????????  maybe when I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     will
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     upgrade my computer or I am
>     >     forced to upgrade.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     You probably need to install
>     >     and configure
>     >     >>>      espeak, the
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? language and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     speed,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     you can have a key bind
>     >     to?????????????  run the
>     >     >>>      script, you
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? can
>     modify the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     script
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     to?????????????  add
>     >     something like "killall
>     >     >>>      espeak" to stop
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? the
>     previous
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     Sorry I can't help more.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     Regards, Simion
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>
>     Hi Simion,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>
>     Thanks for taking the time
>     >     and for your effort.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>
>     On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav
>     >     Degreef wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> Hi Simion,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed
>     >     reply.?????????????  I use
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? opensuse leap 15.2
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> with
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> KDE
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7.
>     >     ?????????????  Jovie
>     >     >>>      continues to
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? work
>     fine even
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> though
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> it has been
>     >     deprecated.?????????????  However,
>     >     >>>      it no longer
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? works on
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> opensuse
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life
>     >     is in December this year.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? Someone
>     has built
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the
>     >     Open Build Service of
>     >     >>>      Suse, but
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? I could not
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> get
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>> it
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> to install properly, I
>     >     think it's due to the Qt
>     >     >>>      changes,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? I got a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> dependency
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> mess.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> I have been trying to find
>     >     a replacement for
>     >     >>>      Jovie for 3
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? years at
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> least,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> since it was clear it would
>     >     no longer be
>     >     >>>      >?  ?ÂÂ
>     ? maintained.?????????????  Read
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> Aloud
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>> is
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that
>     >     fills all the browser
>     >     >>>      needs.
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? Thunderbird also
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> has
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it
>     >     only works for
>     >     >>>      single emails
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? and top
>     posted
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> replies, list messages,
>     >     etc.?????????????  It
>     >     >>>      reads only
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? from top to
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> bottom
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> without being able to
>     >     select only parts of the
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? mail.??????????
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> LibreOffice
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin
>     >     that even reads the
>     >     >>>      clipboard
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? contents, but
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>> it
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> is cumbersome.????????????
>     >     Okular has a nice TTS
>     >     >>>      function,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? but it
>     often
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> starts
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> two different simultaneous
>     >     but voices of the
>     >     >>>      same text
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? which
>     can't be
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> understood.????????????
>     >     Sometimes id functions
>     >     >>>      >?  ?ÂÂ
>     ? fine.?????????????  That is
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> where I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> use TTS the most, and
>     >     periodically to read out error
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? messages, text
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> boxes
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is
>     >     indispensable and for
>     >     >>>      which I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? don't
>     have an
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> adequate
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> substitute).
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> Any
>     >     suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
>     >     >>>      Jovie from
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? a tar
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> binary??????????????  Or
>     >     are you seriously
>     >     >>>      thinking of
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? building a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> replacement
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> for
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion
>     >     wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> Hi, no problem ,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no
>     >     Simon, don't worry it
>     >     >>>      is OK
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? just
>     want to
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> mention
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like
>     >     typos in emails
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my
>     >     fork with a few
>     >     >>>      crash fixes
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I
>     >     use directly espeak .
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to
>     >     give up on Jovie but my
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? conclussion was to not
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> use
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my
>     >     own replacement,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> since I would not need
>     >     some crossplatform
>     >     >>>      solution I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? could
>     probably
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> make
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>> a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> python application , or
>     >     even something that
>     >     >>>      runs in the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>    Â
>     browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? or nodejs.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I
>     >     can still compile
>     >     >>>      jovie , I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? have a
>     keyboard
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> with
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my
>     >     workflow is to copy
>     >     >>>      paste stuff
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? in
>     clipboard
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> and
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> using my keys I can
>     >     play/pause/resume. I still use
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? espeak
>     as backend
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> with
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> voice speed set to max.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM,
>     >     Gustav Degreef wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> Hello Simon,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on
>     >     the accessibility
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>    Â
>     list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? also have
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> serious
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> eye
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>    Â
>     >  Â
>      blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? have been
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> using
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> Jovie
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> for most of my computer
>     >     time for years and I
>     >     >>>      am trying
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? to find a
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> replacement for
>     >     >>>      >?  ?
>     >  Â
>      ? it.????????????????????????????????????????????????ÂÂ
>     In
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> my
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader
>     >     is not
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>    Â
>     suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? Excuse
>     me for
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> writing
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> you
>     >     >>>      >?  ?
>     >  Â
>      ? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
>     >     >>>      Can I ask
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> you
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> more about this
>     >     >>>      >?  ?
>     >    ? issue??????????????????????????????????????????????
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> Gustav
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM,
>     >     Simion wrote:
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that
>     >     jovie is not be ported
>     >     >>>      to KDE5
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? and
>     that the
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> idea
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> is
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't
>     >     find if someone
>     >     >>>      started a
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? replacement for
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> jovie
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate
>     >     QtSpeech and see if it
>     >     >>>      works
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? properly on
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> Linux,
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> if
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >>>>>>>>> there is no such a
>     >     project started is there any
>     >     >>>      >? ? 
>     ? interest in it?
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>>>>>>>>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? > >>
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >     >>>      >? ?  ? >
>     >     >>>      >
>     >     >>>
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >
>



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