Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Jeremy Whiting
jpwhiting at kde.org
Mon Oct 25 20:04:45 BST 2021
Hi Gustav,
It seems you have some Qt 4 qmake instead of Qt 5 qmake just like this:
https://forum.qt.io/topic/34792/solved-unable-to-build-examples-app-on-mac-os-x-mavericks-qt-5-1-1/3
I'm not sure how opensuse packages qmake, but you likely need Qt5 headers
and libraries from some package. From reading this
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/492450-Installed-Qt5-Creator-Qt5-Qmake-missing
you probably want libqt5-qtbase-devel which will pull in the right thing.
BR,
Jeremy
P.S. Downloading opensuse 15.2 iso now to try to recreate in a vm here also.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:56 PM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> No luck. I downloaded the zip file to a directory in my home folder.
> Unpacked it and ran the commands. Here is the result:
>
> user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> qmake
> /home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:4: Unknown test
> function: qtHaveModule
> /home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:5: Unknown test
> function: qtHaveModule
> Project MESSAGE: Warning: unknown QT: texttospeech
> user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> make
> Some of the required modules (qtHaveModule(gui)) are not available.
> Skipped.
> user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> hello_speak
> If 'hello_speak' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup
> the package that contains it, like this:
> cnf hello_speak
>
> I'm running Plasma 5.18.6, Frameworks 5.71.0, Qt 5.12.7 and kernel
> 5.3.18-lp152.95-preempt. All the sofware is from the stock installation
> and upgrades of opensuse 15.2. Any suggestions? Thanks, Gustav
>
> On 10/25/21 5:01 PM, Jeremy Whi
> > Gustav,
> >
> > Yeah, it's a bit weird since the example code is in git next to the
> > QTextToSpeech sources. I've included a zip file of the version from Qt
> > 5.15.2. You should be able to build it with:
> >
> > cd hello_speak
> > qmake
> > make
> >
> > then run hello_speak to see the gui and try QTextToSpeech directly.
> > Since we've ruled out speech-dispatcher layer it's likely one of the
> > following:
> >
> > 1. QtTextToSpeech is somehow sending the text to both of it's plugins
> > (there are 2 plugins for it on linux, flite, and speech-dispatcher,
> > it's only supposed to use one of them, but maybe some settings on your
> > device have it sending to both?)
> > 2. QtTextToSpeech speech-dispatcher plugin is sending the text to
> > speech-dispatcher twice somehow.
> >
> > In the example app's gui you can select which plugin it's using from
> > the "Engine" combo box. See if you get duplication when using flite
> > (if flite is an option, maybe it's not depending what your
> > distribution ships) and speech-dispatcher and Default.
> >
> > Just curious which distribution are you using? Also which version of
> > it? Maybe I can recreate in a virtual machine here once I know those 2
> > answers.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Jeremy
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 3:15 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Jeremy for the detailed explanation and suggestions. I
> > was only
> > aware of some parts of the machanisms behind KDE tts.
> >
> > 1) In my case, there is no ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher
> > directory.|Â
> > In my /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
> > AddModule "espeak"Â "sd-espeak"Â "espeak.conf" is the only
> > uncommented
> > line in the relevant section.|
> > 2) the command spd-say "Hello" outputs only one normal
> > sounding voice.
> > 3) I looked at
> > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> but
> can't
> > figure out what program to use, what command to run or what code to
> > download to compile. I tried every variation of commands such
> > as "Qt
> > text-to-speech example", "QtTextToSpeech example" and many others
> > without success, it always returns cnf. I googled to see what I
> > might be
> > missing. I looked in my setup software packages for relevant code
> > without success.
> > 4. The duplicate voices occur both with Okular and Kmouth.
> >
> >
> > On 10/25/21 12:25 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > > Gustav,
> > >
> > > This sounds like a pretty tricky issue to find the cause of. Some
> > > explanation of how it all fits together may help though. If you're
> > > already aware of this just ignore it, but it may help find the
> > cause.
> > >
> > > Speech-dispatcher itself is a daemon that has modules for various
> > > synthesizers, espeak, festival, pico, etc. It is usually
> > configured so
> > > one synthesizer is the default, but many can be set up to use for
> > > example if the default doesn't support the wanted language a
> > fallback
> > > synthesizer can be used.
> > >
> > > Qt Text-to-speech is a library that kmouth, okular, plasma, etc.
> > use
> > > to interact with speech-dispatcher on linux (and sapi on windows,
> > > voiceover on mac, android tts on android, etc.)
> > >
> > > Firefox if I remember correctly talks directly to speech-dispatcher
> > > using libspeechd so isn't going through Qt's text-to-speech
> library.
> > >
> > > Some things you could try to see if you can narrow it down:
> > >
> > > 1. Find out which synthesizer speech-dispatcher is configured to
> > use
> > > by default. If festival is not running it's likely espeak-ng.
> > spd-conf
> > > or sending along or checking yourself your
> > > ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher/*.conf files should say which one is
> > > default.
> > > 2. If spd-say "Hello" from a command line sounds ok and doesn't
> > > duplicate text then speech-dispatcher is not the problem.
> > > 3. Run Qt text-to-speech example
> > > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
> > > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> <-- may
> > > need to build from source, unless your distribution happens to
> > have a
> > > package for it. If audio is duplicated when using that then the
> > > problem is in Qt text-to-speech library itself.
> > > 4. If the example sounds fine, then the problem is either in
> > okular's
> > > use of QTextToSpeech library (i.e. maybe it's trying to run 2 audio
> > > jobs at the same time possibly?)
> > >
> > > Hope that helps narrow it down a bit.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Jeremy
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:49 AM Gustav Degreef
> > <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >Â Â Â Unfortunately Festival does not seem the culprit for the
> > double
> > >Â Â Â stream
> > >Â Â Â in either Kmouth or Okular. When I run top (without
> > Kmouth or Okular
> > >   running) festival is not running in either case. When
> > I try to
> > >Â Â Â read a
> > >Â Â Â pdf with Okular or when trying to speak out text with
> > Kmouth, top
> > >Â Â Â DOES
> > >   NOT show Festival running in either case. In all
> > these cases
> > >Â Â Â espeak is
> > >   running, as seen in top. When Okular and Kmouth are
> > putting out
> > >Â Â Â the two
> > >Â Â Â simultaneous voices, and I KILL the process for espeak,
> > ALL speech
> > >   output stops.  I have no idea of how to track this
> > down
> > >   further. The
> > >Â Â Â problem never happens with Jovie or Speak Aloud plugin in
> > Firefox.Â
> > >   Thanks, Gustav.
> > >
> > >Â Â Â On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >   > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has
> many
> > >Â Â Â voices from many
> > >   > countries available to use. So you don't want to be
> > running
> > >Â Â Â espeak or you
> > >Â Â Â > don't want to be running festival-server one or the
> > other.ÂÂ
> > >Â Â Â That should
> > >   > solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth
> > configuration it starts up
> > >Â Â Â > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to
> > leave you with
> > >Â Â Â > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
> > >Â Â Â > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never
> > seen in
> > >Â Â Â this life.
> > >Â Â Â > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing
> > it and
> > >Â Â Â see how far
> > >   > I don't get. I did software testing for the federal
> > government
> > >Â Â Â before
> > >Â Â Â > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several
> > ssd and
> > >Â Â Â sata disks
> > >Â Â Â > I can use.
> > >Â Â Â >
> > >Â Â Â >
> > >Â Â Â > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> > >Â Â Â >
> > >Â Â Â >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful
> > reply. I
> > >Â Â Â really appreciate
> > >   >> your taking this seriously.  I tried Kmouth
> > again (after
> > >   years). It has:
> > >Â Â Â >>
> > >   >> 1) the same problem as Okular. It
> > speaks the text in
> > >Â Â Â two simultaneous
> > >Â Â Â >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding
> > voice)
> > >Â Â Â of the same text
> > >Â Â Â >> so the output is incomprehensible.
> > >   >> 2) no way to stop the speech output. No pause
> > and no resume.
> > >   >> 3) It opens a separate window, that I have to
> > look for it
> > >Â Â Â on the taskbar -
> > >Â Â Â >> when it is in the background.
> > >Â Â Â >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another
> > >   application), I have
> > >   >> to navigate to the start button (or other
> > button), this
> > >Â Â Â is cumbersome.
> > >Â Â Â >>
> > >Â Â Â >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted
> > person, but
> > >Â Â Â for the partially
> > >   >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration. A
> > typical task I
> > >Â Â Â do is writing
> > >Â Â Â >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back
> > to me the
> > >Â Â Â sentences,
> > >Â Â Â >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a
> > >   sitting).  This helps
> > >   >> in revising and editing any significant work.ÂÂÂ
> The
> > >Â Â Â difference in functionality
> > >Â Â Â >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other
> > tasks) are
> > >Â Â Â pretty huge.
> > >Â Â Â >>
> > >Â Â Â >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease
> > of use
> > >Â Â Â of Jovie,
> > >   >> great. I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
> > >Â Â Â >>
> > >Â Â Â >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > >Â Â Â >>> Gustav, Simon,
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't
> > >Â Â Â considered those
> > >Â Â Â >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one
> > of the
> > >Â Â Â following to
> > >Â Â Â >>> remedy the situation.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
> > >Â Â Â >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it
> > has bit
> > >Â Â Â rotted
> > >Â Â Â >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some
> > love and
> > >Â Â Â attention anyway.
> > >Â Â Â >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following
> > >Â Â Â features to be
> > >Â Â Â >>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control
> > over the
> > >Â Â Â queue to
> > >Â Â Â >>> remove entries, etc.
> > >Â Â Â >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices
> > quickly.
> > >Â Â Â >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able
> > to speak,
> > >Â Â Â play, stop,
> > >Â Â Â >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
> > >Â Â Â >>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice
> > settings that
> > >Â Â Â were separate
> > >Â Â Â >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we
> > should be
> > >Â Â Â able to control
> > >Â Â Â >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.)
> > directly
> > >Â Â Â by manipulating
> > >Â Â Â >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work
> the
> > >Â Â Â configuration gui
> > >Â Â Â >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's
> > .conf
> > >Â Â Â files and have a
> > >Â Â Â >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them.
> > I'm not
> > >Â Â Â sure if that's
> > >Â Â Â >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet
> > or not. If
> > >Â Â Â not it
> > >Â Â Â >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other
> > items should
> > >Â Â Â be pretty
> > >Â Â Â >>> straightforward.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> thanks,
> > >Â Â Â >>> Jeremy
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef
> > >Â Â Â <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
> > >Â Â Â >>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to
> > address this
> > >Â Â Â directly.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is
> > indispensable
> > >Â Â Â for those of us
> > >   >>>   who are partially sighted (not
> > blind).? In my
> > >Â Â Â opinion, a screen
> > >   >>>   reader
> > >   >>>   (very useful for the blind) actually
> > gets in the way
> > >Â Â Â for people
> > >   >>>   like me.
> > >   >>>   ? ? Jovie does a very
> > simple and
> > >Â Â Â straightforward task - it reads
> > >   >>>   the most
> > >   >>>   recent content of the
> > clipboard.? Jovie allows for
> > >Â Â Â selecting text
> > >   >>>   (and
> > >   >>>   reading it out) in virtually all of the
> > major
> > >Â Â Â applications/tasks (and
> > >   >>>   virtually all others) that a primarily
> > desktop user
> > >Â Â Â needs for
> > >   >>>   every day
> > >   >>>   use.? Those functions/tasks
> > where?ÂÂÂ
> > >Â Â Â jovie/replacement is needed are:
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate
> > >   >>>   2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird
> > >   >>>   3) browser - imc Firefox
> > >   >>>   4) pdf reader - imc Okular
> > >   >>>   5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
> > >   >>>   6) text from "program to user output"
> > (error messages,
> > >Â Â Â text boxes,
> > >   >>>   command line output, etc).
> > >   >>>   7) miscellaneous programs not so often
> > used.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   In my experience/opinion:
> > >   >>>   Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and
> > requires too
> > >Â Â Â many steps.
> > >   >>>   using the command line adds several
> > steps that disturb
> > >Â Â Â the flow of
> > >   >>>   work,
> > >   >>>   it is not simple to have to switch
> > windows and then
> > >Â Â Â have to type a
> > >   >>>   command.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   Indispensable (for partially sighted)
> > aspects of Jovie
> > >Â Â Â or Jovie
> > >   >>>   replacement:
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks
> > or steps or
> > >Â Â Â commands to get
> > >   >>>   speech output. - ideal use is with
> > mouse or keyboard
> > >Â Â Â shortcut.
> > >   >>>   Currently
> > >   >>>   jovie takes three simple steps with
> > mouse or keyboard
> > >Â Â Â shortcut - text
> > >   >>>   select, text copy,? then
> > start/etc. speech output.
> > >   >>>   2) being able to select all or ONLY
> > part of a piece of
> > >Â Â Â text - with
> > >   >>>   the
> > >   >>>   mouse or shortcut.
> > >   >>>   3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume
> > speech output
> > >Â Â Â with mouse or
> > >   >>>   shortcut.
> > >   >>>   4) Sits in system tray or functions
> > from menu that
> > >Â Â Â appears on right
> > >   >>>   click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   There are currently add ons to programs
> > that COULD
> > >Â Â Â fulfill most of
> > >   >>>   these
> > >   >>>   requirements,? however they do
> > not all work well:
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in
> > function for tts.
> > >   >>>   2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin:
> > very limited, it
> > >Â Â Â reads the ENTIRE
> > >   >>>   message with some headers. Does not
> > allow for
> > >Â Â Â selecting a portion
> > >   >>>   of the
> > >   >>>   text, can't stop, can't
> > pause/resume.? Totally
> > >Â Â Â inadequate for a
> > >   >>>   bottom
> > >   >>>   posted list message.
> > >   >>>   3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:?ÂÂ
> > works quite well,
> > >Â Â Â has all needed
> > >   >>>   functions.
> > >   >>>   4) Okular - nice built in tts function,
> > easy to select
> > >Â Â Â text, right
> > >   >>>   click
> > >   >>>   mouse to output speech.?ÂÂÂ
> > However it outputs (at
> > >Â Â Â least on
> > >   >>>   opensuse) two
> > >   >>>   simultaneous speech streams (of the
> > same text) with
> > >Â Â Â different
> > >   >>>   voices and
> > >   >>>   it is impossible to understand.
> > >   >>>   5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but
> > it is cumbersome
> > >Â Â Â and adds
> > >   >>>   several
> > >   >>>   steps.? It has a nice feature
> > to output the
> > >Â Â Â contents of the
> > >   >>>   clipboard
> > >   >>>   but it requires too many steps.
> > >   >>>   6) program to user output - kmouth or
> > command line
> > >Â Â Â seem the only
> > >   >>>   alternative to Jovie
> > >   >>>   7) miscellaneous programs (with no
> > plugins or built in
> > >Â Â Â tts)? -
> > >   >>>   same as 6)
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   It seems clear that a lot of developers
> > are aware/are
> > >Â Â Â working on
> > >   >>>   tts for
> > >   >>>   various programs, and that is very
> > encouraging and
> > >Â Â Â great. However,
> > >   >>>   it is
> > >   >>>   a time of great transition and the tts
> > functions
> > >Â Â Â (without Jovie) are
> > >   >>>   quite inadequate for the partially
> > sighted (for
> > >Â Â Â example, from macular
> > >   >>>   degeneration which is fairly common).
> > Thanks, Gustav.
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >   >>>   On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > >   >>>   > Hello all,
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   > I've been quietly watching this
> > conversation for a
> > >Â Â Â bit but need to
> > >   >>>   > chime in here. I'm the one that
> > changed the name
> > >Â Â Â from ktts to Jovie
> > >   >>>   > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie
> > itself when
> > >Â Â Â QtSpeech came
> > >   >>>   about.
> > >   >>>   > I'm very curious about what use cases
> > there still
> > >Â Â Â are for Jovie.
> > >   >>>   > Shortly before the name change from
> > ktts to Jovie it was
> > >   >>>   drastically
> > >   >>>   > changed to just be a gui on top of
> > >Â Â Â Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
> > >   >>>   > library does the same thing but has
> > no gui, is only
> > >Â Â Â useful from
> > >   >>>   > applications. My question is what do
> > you use Jovie
> > >Â Â Â for exactly?
> > >   >>>   Here
> > >   >>>   > are the ways replacements using
> > QtSpeech "Just Work"
> > >Â Â Â in my mind.
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   > Want to hear notifications from any
> > KDE application
> > >Â Â Â like Jovie/ktts
> > >   >>>   > did? Turn that on in the
> > application's notifications
> > >   >>>   configuration. It
> > >   >>>   > uses QtSpeech to speak the
> > notification, title,
> > >Â Â Â message or both.
> > >   >>>   Just
> > >   >>>   > like it did previously with ktts/jovie.
> > >   >>>   > Want to read a document out loud? Use
> > Okular's
> > >Â Â Â QtSpeech actions in
> > >   >>>   > it's menu. It sends either the
> > selected text or the
> > >Â Â Â current page
> > >   >>> Â��  to be
> > >   >>>   > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly
> > for listening
> > >Â Â Â to the document.
> > >   >>>   > Want to read out loud a web article
> > of some kind?
> > >Â Â Â Use Firefox's tts
> > >   >>>   > features to read it out to you. It
> > doesn't use
> > >Â Â Â QtSpeech, but
> > >   >>>   interacts
> > >   >>>   > with speech-dispatcher directly if I
> > recall correctly.
> > >   >>>   > Want to type some text and hear it
> > spoken? This can
> > >Â Â Â be done in a
> > >   >>>   > number of ways. 1. spd-say command
> > line tool. 2.
> > >Â Â Â espeak or
> > >   >>>   espeak-ng
> > >   >>>   > or festival, or pico or any other tts
> > directly from
> > >Â Â Â command
> > >   >>>   line. 3.
> > >   >>>   > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a
> > gui. KMouth uses
> > >   >>>   speech-dispatcher
> > >   >>>   > directly if I recall correctly and
> > provides a nice
> > >Â Â Â gui with a
> > >   >>>   > customizable dictionary of commonly
> > used words, etc.
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   > With the above, what is the use of
> > Jovie anymore? If
> > >Â Â Â there's a use
> > >   >>>   > case that isn't covered by the above
> > we can
> > >Â Â Â certainly revive
> > >   >>>   Jovie and
> > >   >>>   > fill the gap if there is one, but in
> > my mind the
> > >Â Â Â above uses are
> > >   >>>   > already covered.
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   > thanks,
> > >   >>>   > Jeremy Whiting
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude
> > DaShiell
> > >   >>>   <jdashiel at panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com> <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>>
> > >   >>>   > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>
> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>>>> wrote:
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? Quite
> > agree with you on that
> > >   score.??? A new version of
> > >   >>>   redcore
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? Linux is
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? available for download and it has a
> > >Â Â Â very current kernel
> > >   >>>   and its
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? default
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? desktop
> > is kde plasma.??? Maybe
> > >Â Â Â one thing jovie might do
> > >   >>>   when
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? started
> > up is
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? to
> > locate something like espeak-ng
> > >Â Â Â or espeak or
> > >   >>>   speech-dispatcher and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? start
> > those up first then come up on
> > >Â Â Â its own.??? If it finds
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the
> > >Â Â Â user to run spd-conf
> > >   >>>   to get
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? speech-dispatcher configured
> > >Â Â Â correctly but could generate
> > >   >>>   a default
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? spd.conf file and let the user know
> > >Â Â Â that it's there and maybe
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? reconfigure
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? if
> > problems arise.
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? On Thu,
> > 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef
> > >Â Â Â wrote:
> > >   >>>   >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > Festival was not much of an
> > >Â Â Â improvement in voice
> > >   >>>   quality.???
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Embrola, as you
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > say,
> > was too difficult to
> > >   configure.??? I'll check out
> > >   >>>   Fenrir,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? and
> > tdsr but the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > voice
> > quality is TOTALLY secondary
> > >Â Â Â - a smoothly working
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? jovie/espeak (or
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > equivalent) is quite adequate to
> > >   get things done.???Â
> > >   >>>   Which in
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? theend
> > is really
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > the
> > important thing. Gustav
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > On
> > 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell
> > >Â Â Â wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> > fenrir and tdsr are a couple
> > >Â Â Â more to check out and
> > >   >>>   mbrola and
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? festival can
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> > maybe help the human speech
> > >Â Â Â situation though not easily
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> ? configured.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > > On
> > Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav
> > >Â Â Â Degreef wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > Actually, Jovie replaced ktts
> > >Â Â Â quite some years ago.????
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Qtspeech is supposed
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> to
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> be
> > a partial replacement, but
> > >Â Â Â there is no frontend
> > >   >>>   program to
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? manage the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > output of speechdispatcher
> > >Â Â Â (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
> > >   >>>   works
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? fine
> > for me, but
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > bothers everyne else who
> > >Â Â Â listens to my computer
> > >   >>>   outptut (my
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? partner
> and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > friends).???? e-speak is
> > >Â Â Â clear enough, just does
> > >   >>>   not sound
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? like a
> > person.???
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> Good,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > I'll look into espeak-ng,
> > >Â Â Â thanks! Gustav
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >> On
> > 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude
> > >Â Â Â DaShiell wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> I
> > had read somewhere ktts was
> > >Â Â Â supposed to have replaced
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? jovie.??? Also,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > espeak-ng is a successor to
> > >   espeak.??? It's good
> > >   >>>   you got any
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? of this
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > working.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > ---------- Forwarded message
> > >Â Â Â ---------- Date: Thu,
> > >   >>>   21 Oct
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? 2021
> > 04:36:27
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > From: Gustav Degreef
> > >Â Â Â <gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
> > >   >>>   <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>>>
> > >   >>>   To: Simion
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > <simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>
> > >   >>>   <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com
> >>>>>,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ?
> > kde-accessibility at kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
> > >   >>>   <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>>
> > >   >>>   <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
> > >Â Â Â <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Subject: Re: Is there a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > project that is jovie successor?
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > Hi Simion,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > Thanks for your input and
> > >   effort.????? ????? I
> > >   >>>   carefuly looked
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? over
> > everything
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> you
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > mentioned, including the
> > >Â Â Â script but it has taken me
> > >   >>>   a long
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> > ? time.????? ????? I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> only
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > have a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > rudimentary?????? knowledge of
> > >   >>>  ÂÂ
> > scripts.????? ????? ????? So
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? modifying or writing
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > scripts
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > is beyond
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > my current possibility,
> > >Â Â Â especially with my vision
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> > ? problems.????? ????? But it
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > really
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > helped me to look everything
> > >   over.????? ????? I
> > >   >>>   decided the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? best
> > way was to go
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> back
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> to
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > trying to install it from the
> > >Â Â Â opensuse
> > >   >>>   repos.????? ????? I had
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? failed
> > the first
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > time and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > created a great confusion in
> > >Â Â Â my setup. But it was a
> > >   >>>   spare
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? "test"
> > setup on
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > separate
> > >   partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of
> > >   >>>   time cleaning
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? up the
> > repos,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > updating and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > cleaning up. And now Jovie
> > >Â Â Â works on opensuse
> > >   >>>   15.3!????? ?????
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? The
> > packages come
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> from
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > unofficial repos, but someone
> > >Â Â Â else with the tech
> > >   >>>   knowhow has
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? put it
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > together.????? ?
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> I
> > am "forced" to upgrade soon,
> > >Â Â Â since the opensuse
> > >   >>> Â��  15.2 EOL
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? is
> > soon.????? ????
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> But
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> now
> I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > can move forward hopefully for
> > >Â Â Â another 1.5 years,
> > >   >>>   the life
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? of 15.3
> > until a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > better solution
> > >   comes.????? ????? I hope you or
> > >   >>>   someone else
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? can
> > help come up
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> with
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>> a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > replacement for
> > >   Jovie.????? ????? Thanks for your
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> > ? efforts.????? ????? Gustav.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > p.s. I'm posting back on the
> > >Â Â Â list in case it may help
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? someone
> > else.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>
> > On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav
> > >Â Â Â Degreef wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> > On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > Hi Gustav,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > I personally would try to
> > >Â Â Â compile it, if I am
> > >   >>>   unable I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? would
> > try first a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > simple bash script, the
> > >Â Â Â issue with next script is
> > >   >>>   that is not
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > queuing????????????? the
> > >Â Â Â tasks so you can get 2
> > >   >>>   speakers at
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? the
> > same time
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> or
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> you
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > can edit the script to
> > >Â Â Â "killall" previous taks (so an
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? application that
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > runs
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > in background would be
> > >Â Â Â needed to improve the
> > >   >>>   experience)
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > #! /bin/bash
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > xclip -out -selection
> > >Â Â Â primary | xclip -in
> > >   >>>   -selection clipboard
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" "
> > >Â Â Â " | espeak
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > #end script
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > or maybe python or nodejs
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > I am tempted to write
> > >Â Â Â something to do some
> > >   >>>   cleanup on the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? input,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > like when I want to read an
> > >Â Â Â entire reddit page of
> > >   >>>   omments
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? would
> > be nice
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> if
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>> I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > could????????????? clean it
> > >   up?????????????Â
> > >   >>>   first and remove
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? all the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > "reply/report
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > ..." buttons labels
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > The reason I decided that in
> > >Â Â Â future I would use
> > >   >>>   espeak is
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? because
> > in my
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > current configuration jovie
> > >Â Â Â uses speech
> > >   >>>   dispatcher and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? speech
> > dispatcher
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > uses
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > espeak , Qt5 is a new extra
> > >Â Â Â layer so a new placed
> > >   >>>   that
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? could
> cause
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > problems
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > (but yes Qt5 would be nice
> > >Â Â Â to have if you plant
> > >   >>>   to write a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? cross
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > operating
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > system desktop application).
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > I have no plans to upgrade
> > >Â Â Â from my system
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> > ? soon,????????????? maybe when I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > will
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > upgrade my computer or I am
> > >Â Â Â forced to upgrade.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > You probably need to install
> > >Â Â Â and configure
> > >   >>>   espeak, the
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? language and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > speed,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > you can have a key bind
> > >   to????????????? run the
> > >   >>>   script, you
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? can
> > modify the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > script
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > to????????????? add
> > >Â Â Â something like "killall
> > >   >>>   espeak" to stop
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? the
> > previous
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > Sorry I can't help more.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > Regards, Simion
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> > Hi Simion,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> > Thanks for taking the time
> > >Â Â Â and for your effort.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>
> > On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav
> > >Â Â Â Degreef wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> Hi Simion,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed
> > >   reply.????????????? I use
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? opensuse leap 15.2
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> with
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> KDE
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7.
> > >   ????????????? Jovie
> > >   >>>   continues to
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? work
> > fine even
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> though
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> it has been
> > >   deprecated.????????????? However,
> > >   >>>   it no longer
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? works on
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> opensuse
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life
> > >Â Â Â is in December this year.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? Someone
> > has built
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the
> > >Â Â Â Open Build Service of
> > >   >>>   Suse, but
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? I could
> not
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> get
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> it
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> to install properly, I
> > >Â Â Â think it's due to the Qt
> > >   >>>   changes,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? I got a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> dependency
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> mess.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> I have been trying to find
> > >Â Â Â a replacement for
> > >   >>>   Jovie for 3
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? years at
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> least,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> since it was clear it would
> > >Â Â Â no longer be
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> > ? maintained.????????????? Read
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> Aloud
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> is
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that
> > >Â Â Â fills all the browser
> > >   >>>   needs.
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Thunderbird also
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> has
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it
> > >Â Â Â only works for
> > >   >>>   single emails
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? and top
> > posted
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> replies, list messages,
> > >   etc.????????????? It
> > >   >>>   reads only
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? from top
> to
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> bottom
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> without being able to
> > >Â Â Â select only parts of the
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? mail.??????????
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> LibreOffice
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin
> > >Â Â Â that even reads the
> > >   >>>   clipboard
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? contents, but
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> it
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> is cumbersome.????????????
> > >Â Â Â Okular has a nice TTS
> > >   >>>   function,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? but it
> > often
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> starts
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> two different simultaneous
> > >Â Â Â but voices of the
> > >   >>>   same text
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? which
> > can't be
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> understood.????????????
> > >Â Â Â Sometimes id functions
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂ
> > ? fine.????????????? That is
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> where I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> use TTS the most, and
> > >Â Â Â periodically to read out error
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? messages, text
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> boxes
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is
> > >Â Â Â indispensable and for
> > >   >>>   which I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? don't
> > have an
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> adequate
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> substitute).
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> Any
> > >Â Â Â suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
> > >   >>>   Jovie from
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? a tar
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> binary?????????????? Or
> > >Â Â Â are you seriously
> > >   >>>   thinking of
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? building a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> replacement
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> for
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion
> > >Â Â Â wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> Hi, no problem ,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no
> > >Â Â Â Simon, don't worry it
> > >   >>>   is OK
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? just
> > want to
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> mention
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like
> > >Â Â Â typos in emails
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my
> > >Â Â Â fork with a few
> > >   >>>   crash fixes
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I
> > >Â Â Â use directly espeak .
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to
> > >Â Â Â give up on Jovie but my
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? conclussion was to not
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> use
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my
> > >Â Â Â own replacement,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> since I would not need
> > >Â Â Â some crossplatform
> > >   >>>   solution I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? could
> > probably
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> make
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> python application , or
> > >Â Â Â even something that
> > >   >>>   runs in the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>  Â
> > browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? or nodejs.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I
> > >Â Â Â can still compile
> > >   >>>   jovie , I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? have a
> > keyboard
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> with
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my
> > >Â Â Â workflow is to copy
> > >   >>>   paste stuff
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? in
> > clipboard
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> and
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> using my keys I can
> > >Â Â Â play/pause/resume. I still use
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? espeak
> > as backend
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> with
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> voice speed set to max.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM,
> > >Â Â Â Gustav Degreef wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> Hello Simon,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on
> > >Â Â Â the accessibility
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>  Â
> > list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? also have
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> serious
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> eye
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>  Â
> > >Â Â
> >  blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? have been
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> using
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> Jovie
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> for most of my computer
> > >Â Â Â time for years and I
> > >   >>>   am trying
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? to find a
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> replacement for
> > >   >>>   >? ?
> > >Â Â
> >
>  ? it.????????????????????????????????????????????????ÂÂ
> > In
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> my
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader
> > >Â Â Â is not
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>  Â
> > suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? Excuse
> > me for
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> writing
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> you
> > >   >>>   >? ?
> > >Â Â
> >  ? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
> > >   >>>   Can I ask
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> you
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> more about this
> > >   >>>   >? ?
> > >   ? issue??????????????????????????????????????????????
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> Gustav
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM,
> > >Â Â Â Simion wrote:
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that
> > >Â Â Â jovie is not be ported
> > >   >>>   to KDE5
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? and
> > that the
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> idea
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> is
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't
> > >Â Â Â find if someone
> > >   >>>   started a
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? replacement for
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> jovie
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate
> > >Â Â Â QtSpeech and see if it
> > >   >>>   works
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? properly
> on
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> Linux,
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> if
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >>>>>>>>> there is no such a
> > >Â Â Â project started is there any
> > >   >>>   >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? interest in it?
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> >>>>>>>>>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? > >>
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >   >>>   >? ? ? >
> > >   >>>   >
> > >Â Â Â >>>
> > >Â Â Â >>
> > >Â Â Â >>
> > >
> >
>
>
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