Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Jude DaShiell
jdashiel at panix.com
Fri Oct 22 22:39:18 BST 2021
Tomorrow, I try to install redcore-linux and see how much help if any
kmouth will be in the installation and how much help it will be
post-install. If it all fails, I have a suggestion for kde regarding
screen reader availability. Use alt-super-s as a screen reader startup
shortcut and put a small application with audio that plays say three
descending notes to let an installer know no screen reader is available
yet for kde. If in future a real screen reader becomes available for
upgrades have that small app connected to alt-super-s replaced by the
screen reader app and as that package installs have it speak a short
message telling the user or installer that a screen reader is now
available and to use alt-super-s to start it running.
The alt-super-s is already used in gnome and mate to start screen readers
so is pretty widely standardized already.
Unfortunately when I do these installs the most help I sometimes have is a
be my eyes volunteer who can only tell me what came up on the screen once
we get the screen turned on. So this is by no means a professionally run
accessibility laboratory run effort just run by someone familiar with
software testing who is now retired.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> It sounds like festival is probably the culprit for Okular also. I'll try and
> track it down/fix it/post back. Thanks for this and for whatever you can do,
> Gustav
>
> On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many voices from many
> > countries available to use. So you don't want to be running espeak or you
> > don't want to be running festival-server one or the other. That should
> > solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth configuration it starts up
> > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to leave you with
> > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
> > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never seen in this life.
> > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing it and see how far
> > I don't get. I did software testing for the federal government before
> > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several ssd and sata disks
> > I can use.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >
> >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful reply.? I really
> >> appreciate
> >> your taking this seriously. ? I tried Kmouth again (after years).? It
> >> has:
> >>
> >> 1)? the same problem as Okular.? It speaks the text in two simultaneous
> >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding voice) of the same
> >> text
> >> so the output is incomprehensible.
> >> 2) no way to stop the speech output.? No pause and no resume.
> >> 3)? It opens a separate window, that I have to look for it on the taskbar
> >> -
> >> when it is in the background.
> >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another application),? I
> >> have
> >> to? navigate to the start button (or other button),? this is cumbersome.
> >>
> >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted person, but for the
> >> partially
> >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration.? A typical task I do is writing
> >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back to me the sentences,
> >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a sitting).? ? This
> >> helps
> >> in revising and editing any significant work.? The difference in
> >> functionality
> >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other tasks) are pretty huge.
> >>
> >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease of use of Jovie,
> >> great.? I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
> >>
> >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> >>> Gustav, Simon,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't considered those
> >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one of the following to
> >>> remedy the situation.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
> >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it has bit rotted
> >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
> >>>
> >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some love and attention
> >>> anyway.
> >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following features to be
> >>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
> >>>
> >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control over the queue to
> >>> remove entries, etc.
> >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices quickly.
> >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able to speak, play, stop,
> >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
> >>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
> >>>
> >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice settings that were
> >>> separate
> >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we should be able to control
> >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.) directly by
> >>> manipulating
> >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the configuration
> >>> gui
> >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's .conf files and have
> >>> a
> >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them. I'm not sure if that's
> >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet or not. If not it
> >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other items should be pretty
> >>> straightforward.
> >>>
> >>> thanks,
> >>> Jeremy
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to address this directly.
> >>>
> >>> In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is indispensable for those of us
> >>> who are partially sighted (not blind).?? In my opinion, a screen
> >>> reader
> >>> (very useful for the blind) actually gets in the way for people
> >>> like me.
> >>> ?? ?? Jovie does a very simple and straightforward task - it reads
> >>> the most
> >>> recent content of the clipboard.?? Jovie allows for selecting text
> >>> (and
> >>> reading it out) in virtually all of the major applications/tasks (and
> >>> virtually all others) that a primarily desktop user needs for
> >>> every day
> >>> use.?? Those functions/tasks where?? jovie/replacement is needed
> >>> are:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate
> >>> 2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird
> >>> 3) browser - imc Firefox
> >>> 4) pdf reader - imc Okular
> >>> 5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
> >>> 6) text from "program to user output" (error messages, text boxes,
> >>> command line output, etc).
> >>> 7) miscellaneous programs not so often used.
> >>>
> >>> In my experience/opinion:
> >>> Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and requires too many steps.
> >>> using the command line adds several steps that disturb the flow of
> >>> work,
> >>> it is not simple to have to switch windows and then have to type a
> >>> command.
> >>>
> >>> Indispensable (for partially sighted) aspects of Jovie or Jovie
> >>> replacement:
> >>>
> >>> 1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks or steps or commands to get
> >>> speech output. - ideal use is with mouse or keyboard shortcut.
> >>> Currently
> >>> jovie takes three simple steps with mouse or keyboard shortcut - text
> >>> select, text copy,?? then start/etc. speech output.
> >>> 2) being able to select all or ONLY part of a piece of text - with
> >>> the
> >>> mouse or shortcut.
> >>> 3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume speech output with mouse or
> >>> shortcut.
> >>> 4) Sits in system tray or functions from menu that appears on right
> >>> click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There are currently add ons to programs that COULD fulfill most of
> >>> these
> >>> requirements,?? however they do not all work well:
> >>>
> >>> 1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in function for tts.
> >>> 2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin: very limited, it reads the ENTIRE
> >>> message with some headers. Does not allow for selecting a portion
> >>> of the
> >>> text, can't stop, can't pause/resume.?? Totally inadequate for a
> >>> bottom
> >>> posted list message.
> >>> 3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:?? works quite well, has all needed
> >>> functions.
> >>> 4) Okular - nice built in tts function, easy to select text, right
> >>> click
> >>> mouse to output speech.?? However it outputs (at least on
> >>> opensuse) two
> >>> simultaneous speech streams (of the same text) with different
> >>> voices and
> >>> it is impossible to understand.
> >>> 5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but it is cumbersome and adds
> >>> several
> >>> steps.?? It has a nice feature to output the contents of the
> >>> clipboard
> >>> but it requires too many steps.
> >>> 6) program to user output - kmouth or command line seem the only
> >>> alternative to Jovie
> >>> 7) miscellaneous programs (with no plugins or built in tts)? -
> >>> same as 6)
> >>>
> >>> It seems clear that a lot of developers are aware/are working on
> >>> tts for
> >>> various programs, and that is very encouraging and great. However,
> >>> it is
> >>> a time of great transition and the tts functions (without Jovie) are
> >>> quite inadequate for the partially sighted (for example, from macular
> >>> degeneration which is fairly common). Thanks, Gustav.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> >>> > Hello all,
> >>> >
> >>> > I've been quietly watching this conversation for a bit but need to
> >>> > chime in here. I'm the one that changed the name from ktts to Jovie
> >>> > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie itself when QtSpeech came
> >>> about.
> >>> > I'm very curious about what use cases there still are for Jovie.
> >>> > Shortly before the name change from ktts to Jovie it was
> >>> drastically
> >>> > changed to just be a gui on top of Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
> >>> > library does the same thing but has no gui, is only useful from
> >>> > applications. My question is what do you use Jovie for exactly?
> >>> Here
> >>> > are the ways replacements using QtSpeech "Just Work" in my mind.
> >>> >
> >>> > Want to hear notifications from any KDE application like Jovie/ktts
> >>> > did? Turn that on in the application's notifications
> >>> configuration. It
> >>> > uses QtSpeech to speak the notification, title, message or both.
> >>> Just
> >>> > like it did previously with ktts/jovie.
> >>> > Want to read a document out loud? Use Okular's QtSpeech actions in
> >>> > it's menu. It sends either the selected text or the current page
> >>> to be
> >>> > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly for listening to the document.
> >>> > Want to read out loud a web article of some kind? Use Firefox's tts
> >>> > features to read it out to you. It doesn't use QtSpeech, but
> >>> interacts
> >>> > with speech-dispatcher directly if I recall correctly.
> >>> > Want to type some text and hear it spoken? This can be done in a
> >>> > number of ways. 1. spd-say command line tool. 2. espeak or
> >>> espeak-ng
> >>> > or festival, or pico or any other tts directly from command
> >>> line. 3.
> >>> > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a gui. KMouth uses
> >>> speech-dispatcher
> >>> > directly if I recall correctly and provides a nice gui with a
> >>> > customizable dictionary of commonly used words, etc.
> >>> >
> >>> > With the above, what is the use of Jovie anymore? If there's a use
> >>> > case that isn't covered by the above we can certainly revive
> >>> Jovie and
> >>> > fill the gap if there is one, but in my mind the above uses are
> >>> > already covered.
> >>> >
> >>> > thanks,
> >>> > Jeremy Whiting
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude DaShiell
> >>> <jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
> >>> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Quite agree with you on that score.???? A new version of
> >>> redcore
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Linux is
> >>> >?? ?? ?? available for download and it has a very current kernel
> >>> and its
> >>> >?? ?? ?? default
> >>> >?? ?? ?? desktop is kde plasma.???? Maybe one thing jovie might
> >>> >do
> >>> when
> >>> >?? ?? ?? started up is
> >>> >?? ?? ?? to locate something like espeak-ng or espeak or
> >>> speech-dispatcher and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? start those up first then come up on its own.??? If it
> >>> >finds
> >>> >?? ?? ?? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the user to run spd-conf
> >>> to get
> >>> >?? ?? ?? speech-dispatcher configured correctly but could generate
> >>> a default
> >>> >?? ?? ?? spd.conf file and let the user know that it's there and
> >>> >maybe
> >>> >?? ?? ?? reconfigure
> >>> >?? ?? ?? if problems arise.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > Festival was not much of an improvement in voice
> >>> quality.???
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Embrola, as you
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > say, was too difficult to configure.???? I'll check
> >>> >out
> >>> Fenrir,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? and tdsr but the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > voice quality is TOTALLY secondary - a smoothly working
> >>> >?? ?? ?? jovie/espeak (or
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > equivalent) is quite adequate to get things done.????
> >>> Which in
> >>> >?? ?? ?? theend is really
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > the important thing. Gustav
> >>> >?? ?? ?? >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > On 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > > fenrir and tdsr are a couple more to check out and
> >>> mbrola and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? festival can
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > > maybe help the human speech situation though not
> >>> >easily
> >>> >?? ?? ?? configured.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts quite some years
> >>> >ago.????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Qtspeech is supposed
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> to
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> be a partial replacement, but there is no frontend
> >>> program to
> >>> >?? ?? ?? manage the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> output of speechdispatcher (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
> >>> works
> >>> >?? ?? ?? fine for me, but
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> bothers everyne else who listens to my computer
> >>> outptut (my
> >>> >?? ?? ?? partner and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> friends).????? e-speak is clear enough, just does
> >>> not sound
> >>> >?? ?? ?? like a person.???
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> Good,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> I'll look into espeak-ng, thanks! Gustav
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >> On 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> I had read somewhere ktts was supposed to have
> >>> >replaced
> >>> >?? ?? ?? jovie.???? Also,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> espeak-ng is a successor to espeak.???? It's good
> >>> you got any
> >>> >?? ?? ?? of this
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> working.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu,
> >>> 21 Oct
> >>> >?? ?? ?? 2021 04:36:27
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> From: Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>
> >>> To: Simion
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> <simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>,
> >>> >?? ?? ? kde-accessibility at kde.org
> >>> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
> >>> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Subject: Re: Is there a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> project that is jovie successor?
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> Hi Simion,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> Thanks for your input and effort.?????? ?????? I
> >>> carefuly looked
> >>> >?? ?? ?? over everything
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> you
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> mentioned, including the script but it has taken me
> >>> a long
> >>> >?? ?? ?? time.?????? ?????? I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> only
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> have a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> rudimentary??????? knowledge of
> >>> scripts.?????? ?????? ?????? So
> >>> >?? ?? ?? modifying or writing
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> scripts
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> is beyond
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> my current possibility, especially with my vision
> >>> >?? ?? ?? problems.?????? ?????? But it
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> really
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> helped me to look everything over.?????? ?????? I
> >>> decided the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? best way was to go
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> back
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> to
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> trying to install it from the opensuse
> >>> repos.?????? ?????? I had
> >>> >?? ?? ?? failed the first
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> time and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> created a great confusion in my setup. But it was a
> >>> spare
> >>> >?? ?? ?? "test" setup on
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> separate partition.?????? ????? I spent a lot of
> >>> time cleaning
> >>> >?? ?? ?? up the repos,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> updating and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> cleaning up. And now Jovie works on opensuse
> >>> 15.3!?????? ?????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? The packages come
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> from
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> unofficial repos, but someone else with the tech
> >>> knowhow has
> >>> >?? ?? ?? put it
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> together.?????? ?
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> I am "forced" to upgrade soon, since the opensuse
> >>> 15.2 EOL
> >>> >?? ?? ?? is soon.?????? ????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> But
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> now I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> can move forward hopefully for another 1.5 years,
> >>> the life
> >>> >?? ?? ?? of 15.3 until a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> better solution comes.?????? ?????? I hope you or
> >>> someone else
> >>> >?? ?? ?? can help come up
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> with
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> replacement for Jovie.?????? ?????? Thanks for
> >>> >your
> >>> >?? ?? ?? efforts.?????? ?????? Gustav.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> p.s. I'm posting back on the list in case it may
> >>> >help
> >>> >?? ?? ?? someone else.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> Hi Gustav,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I personally would try to compile it, if I am
> >>> unable I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? would try first a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> simple bash script, the issue with next script is
> >>> that is not
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> queuing????????????? the tasks so you can get 2
> >>> speakers at
> >>> >?? ?? ?? the same time
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> or
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> you
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> can edit the script to "killall" previous taks
> >>> >(so an
> >>> >?? ?? ?? application that
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> runs
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> in background would be needed to improve the
> >>> experience)
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> #! /bin/bash
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> xclip -out -selection primary | xclip -in
> >>> -selection clipboard
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" " " | espeak
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> #end script
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> or maybe python or nodejs
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I am tempted to write something to do some
> >>> cleanup on the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? input,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> like when I want to read an entire reddit page of
> >>> omments
> >>> >?? ?? ?? would be nice
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> if
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> could????????????? clean it up??????????????
> >>> first and remove
> >>> >?? ?? ?? all the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> "reply/report
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> ..." buttons labels
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> The reason I decided that in future I would use
> >>> espeak is
> >>> >?? ?? ?? because in my
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> current configuration jovie uses speech
> >>> dispatcher and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? speech dispatcher
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> uses
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra layer so a new placed
> >>> that
> >>> >?? ?? ?? could cause
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> problems
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> (but yes Qt5 would be nice to have if you plant
> >>> to write a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? cross
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> operating
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> system desktop application).
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I have no plans to upgrade from my system
> >>> >?? ?? ?? soon,?????????????? maybe when I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> will
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> upgrade my computer or I am forced to upgrade.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> You probably need to install and configure
> >>> espeak, the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? language and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> speed,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> you can have a key bind to?????????????? run the
> >>> script, you
> >>> >?? ?? ?? can modify the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> script
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> to?????????????? add something like "killall
> >>> espeak" to stop
> >>> >?? ?? ?? the previous
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> Sorry I can't help more.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> Regards, Simion
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>> Hi Simion,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>> Thanks for taking the time and for your effort.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Hi Simion,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed reply.?????????????? I
> >>> >use
> >>> >?? ?? ?? opensuse leap 15.2
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> with
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> KDE
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7. ?????????????? Jovie
> >>> continues to
> >>> >?? ?? ?? work fine even
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> though
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> it has been deprecated.?????????????? However,
> >>> it no longer
> >>> >?? ?? ?? works on
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> opensuse
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life is in December this
> >>> >year.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Someone has built
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the Open Build Service of
> >>> Suse, but
> >>> >?? ?? ?? I could not
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> get
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> it
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> to install properly, I think it's due to the Qt
> >>> changes,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? I got a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> dependency
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> mess.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> I have been trying to find a replacement for
> >>> Jovie for 3
> >>> >?? ?? ?? years at
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> least,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> since it was clear it would no longer be
> >>> >?? ?? ?? maintained.?????????????? Read
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Aloud
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> is
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that fills all the browser
> >>> needs.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Thunderbird also
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> has
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it only works for
> >>> single emails
> >>> >?? ?? ?? and top posted
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> replies, list messages, etc.?????????????? It
> >>> reads only
> >>> >?? ?? ?? from top to
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> bottom
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> without being able to select only parts of the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? mail.??????????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> LibreOffice
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin that even reads the
> >>> clipboard
> >>> >?? ?? ?? contents, but
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> it
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> is cumbersome.???????????? Okular has a nice TTS
> >>> function,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? but it often
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> starts
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> two different simultaneous but voices of the
> >>> same text
> >>> >?? ?? ?? which can't be
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> understood.???????????? Sometimes id functions
> >>> >?? ?? ?? fine.?????????????? That is
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> where I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> use TTS the most, and periodically to read out
> >>> >error
> >>> >?? ?? ?? messages, text
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> boxes
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is indispensable and for
> >>> which I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? don't have an
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> adequate
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> substitute).
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Any suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
> >>> Jovie from
> >>> >?? ?? ?? a tar
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> binary??????????????? Or are you seriously
> >>> thinking of
> >>> >?? ?? ?? building a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> replacement
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> for
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> Hi, no problem ,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no Simon, don't worry it
> >>> is OK
> >>> >?? ?? ?? just want to
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> mention
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like typos in emails
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my fork with a few
> >>> crash fixes
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I use directly espeak
> >>> >.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to give up on Jovie but my
> >>> >?? ?? ?? conclussion was to not
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> use
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my own replacement,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> since I would not need some crossplatform
> >>> solution I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? could probably
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> make
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> python application , or even something that
> >>> runs in the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? or nodejs.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I can still compile
> >>> jovie , I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? have a keyboard
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> with
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my workflow is to copy
> >>> paste stuff
> >>> >?? ?? ?? in clipboard
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> and
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> using my keys I can play/pause/resume. I still
> >>> >use
> >>> >?? ?? ?? espeak as backend
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> with
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> voice speed set to max.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> Hello Simon,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on the accessibility
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
> >>> list.????????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? also have
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> serious
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> eye
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
> >>> blind.????????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> >>> >?? ?? ?? have been
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> using
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> Jovie
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> for most of my computer time for years and I
> >>> am trying
> >>> >?? ?? ?? to find a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> replacement for
> >>> >?? ? ?? it.????????????????????????????????????????????????? In
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> my
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader is not
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
> >>> suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? Excuse me for
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> writing
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> you
> >>> >?? ? ?? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
> >>> Can I ask
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> you
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> more about this
> >>> >?? ? ?? issue??????????????????????????????????????????????
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> Gustav
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM, Simion wrote:
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that jovie is not be ported
> >>> to KDE5
> >>> >?? ?? ?? and that the
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> idea
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> is
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't find if someone
> >>> started a
> >>> >?? ?? ?? replacement for
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> jovie
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate QtSpeech and see if it
> >>> works
> >>> >?? ?? ?? properly on
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> Linux,
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> if
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> there is no such a project started is there
> >>> >any
> >>> >?? ?? ?? interest in it?
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? > >>
> >>> >?? ?? ?? >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? >
> >>> >?? ?? ?? >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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