Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Gustav Degreef
gustav97 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 23 13:20:43 BST 2021
I doubt that you can run Kmouth (or Jovie which is more mature) during
the installation because you do not have a functional KDE (unless using
a live CD/USB). But even if you can run it, I think that it will be of
little help since I doubt much of the installation screen can be
selected and rad out. That is where you need a screen reader. As I
mentioned in the other thread, screen readers and "text readers" have
completely different use scenarios. Gustav.
On 10/22/21 11:39 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Tomorrow, I try to install redcore-linux and see how much help if any
> kmouth will be in the installation and how much help it will be
> post-install. If it all fails, I have a suggestion for kde regarding
> screen reader availability. Use alt-super-s as a screen reader startup
> shortcut and put a small application with audio that plays say three
> descending notes to let an installer know no screen reader is available
> yet for kde. If in future a real screen reader becomes available for
> upgrades have that small app connected to alt-super-s replaced by the
> screen reader app and as that package installs have it speak a short
> message telling the user or installer that a screen reader is now
> available and to use alt-super-s to start it running.
> The alt-super-s is already used in gnome and mate to start screen readers
> so is pretty widely standardized already.
> Unfortunately when I do these installs the most help I sometimes have is a
> be my eyes volunteer who can only tell me what came up on the screen once
> we get the screen turned on. So this is by no means a professionally run
> accessibility laboratory run effort just run by someone familiar with
> software testing who is now retired.
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>
>> It sounds like festival is probably the culprit for Okular also. I'll try and
>> track it down/fix it/post back. Thanks for this and for whatever you can do,
>> Gustav
>>
>> On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many voices from many
>>> countries available to use. So you don't want to be running espeak or you
>>> don't want to be running festival-server one or the other. That should
>>> solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth configuration it starts up
>>> festival-server and commenting that line out ought to leave you with
>>> espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
>>> It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never seen in this life.
>>> I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing it and see how far
>>> I don't get. I did software testing for the federal government before
>>> retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several ssd and sata disks
>>> I can use.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful reply.? I really
>>>> appreciate
>>>> your taking this seriously. ? I tried Kmouth again (after years).? It
>>>> has:
>>>>
>>>> 1)? the same problem as Okular.? It speaks the text in two simultaneous
>>>> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding voice) of the same
>>>> text
>>>> so the output is incomprehensible.
>>>> 2) no way to stop the speech output.? No pause and no resume.
>>>> 3)? It opens a separate window, that I have to look for it on the taskbar
>>>> -
>>>> when it is in the background.
>>>> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another application),? I
>>>> have
>>>> to? navigate to the start button (or other button),? this is cumbersome.
>>>>
>>>> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted person, but for the
>>>> partially
>>>> sighted, it causes delay and frustration.? A typical task I do is writing
>>>> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back to me the sentences,
>>>> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a sitting).? ? This
>>>> helps
>>>> in revising and editing any significant work.? The difference in
>>>> functionality
>>>> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other tasks) are pretty huge.
>>>>
>>>> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease of use of Jovie,
>>>> great.? I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
>>>>
>>>> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>>>>> Gustav, Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't considered those
>>>>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one of the following to
>>>>> remedy the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
>>>>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it has bit rotted
>>>>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some love and attention
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following features to be
>>>>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
>>>>>
>>>>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control over the queue to
>>>>> remove entries, etc.
>>>>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices quickly.
>>>>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able to speak, play, stop,
>>>>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
>>>>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
>>>>>
>>>>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice settings that were
>>>>> separate
>>>>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we should be able to control
>>>>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.) directly by
>>>>> manipulating
>>>>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the configuration
>>>>> gui
>>>>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's .conf files and have
>>>>> a
>>>>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them. I'm not sure if that's
>>>>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet or not. If not it
>>>>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other items should be pretty
>>>>> straightforward.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to address this directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is indispensable for those of us
>>>>> who are partially sighted (not blind).?? In my opinion, a screen
>>>>> reader
>>>>> (very useful for the blind) actually gets in the way for people
>>>>> like me.
>>>>> ?? ?? Jovie does a very simple and straightforward task - it reads
>>>>> the most
>>>>> recent content of the clipboard.?? Jovie allows for selecting text
>>>>> (and
>>>>> reading it out) in virtually all of the major applications/tasks (and
>>>>> virtually all others) that a primarily desktop user needs for
>>>>> every day
>>>>> use.?? Those functions/tasks where?? jovie/replacement is needed
>>>>> are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate
>>>>> 2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird
>>>>> 3) browser - imc Firefox
>>>>> 4) pdf reader - imc Okular
>>>>> 5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
>>>>> 6) text from "program to user output" (error messages, text boxes,
>>>>> command line output, etc).
>>>>> 7) miscellaneous programs not so often used.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience/opinion:
>>>>> Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and requires too many steps.
>>>>> using the command line adds several steps that disturb the flow of
>>>>> work,
>>>>> it is not simple to have to switch windows and then have to type a
>>>>> command.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indispensable (for partially sighted) aspects of Jovie or Jovie
>>>>> replacement:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks or steps or commands to get
>>>>> speech output. - ideal use is with mouse or keyboard shortcut.
>>>>> Currently
>>>>> jovie takes three simple steps with mouse or keyboard shortcut - text
>>>>> select, text copy,?? then start/etc. speech output.
>>>>> 2) being able to select all or ONLY part of a piece of text - with
>>>>> the
>>>>> mouse or shortcut.
>>>>> 3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume speech output with mouse or
>>>>> shortcut.
>>>>> 4) Sits in system tray or functions from menu that appears on right
>>>>> click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are currently add ons to programs that COULD fulfill most of
>>>>> these
>>>>> requirements,?? however they do not all work well:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in function for tts.
>>>>> 2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin: very limited, it reads the ENTIRE
>>>>> message with some headers. Does not allow for selecting a portion
>>>>> of the
>>>>> text, can't stop, can't pause/resume.?? Totally inadequate for a
>>>>> bottom
>>>>> posted list message.
>>>>> 3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:?? works quite well, has all needed
>>>>> functions.
>>>>> 4) Okular - nice built in tts function, easy to select text, right
>>>>> click
>>>>> mouse to output speech.?? However it outputs (at least on
>>>>> opensuse) two
>>>>> simultaneous speech streams (of the same text) with different
>>>>> voices and
>>>>> it is impossible to understand.
>>>>> 5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but it is cumbersome and adds
>>>>> several
>>>>> steps.?? It has a nice feature to output the contents of the
>>>>> clipboard
>>>>> but it requires too many steps.
>>>>> 6) program to user output - kmouth or command line seem the only
>>>>> alternative to Jovie
>>>>> 7) miscellaneous programs (with no plugins or built in tts)? -
>>>>> same as 6)
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems clear that a lot of developers are aware/are working on
>>>>> tts for
>>>>> various programs, and that is very encouraging and great. However,
>>>>> it is
>>>>> a time of great transition and the tts functions (without Jovie) are
>>>>> quite inadequate for the partially sighted (for example, from macular
>>>>> degeneration which is fairly common). Thanks, Gustav.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>>>>> > Hello all,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've been quietly watching this conversation for a bit but need to
>>>>> > chime in here. I'm the one that changed the name from ktts to Jovie
>>>>> > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie itself when QtSpeech came
>>>>> about.
>>>>> > I'm very curious about what use cases there still are for Jovie.
>>>>> > Shortly before the name change from ktts to Jovie it was
>>>>> drastically
>>>>> > changed to just be a gui on top of Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
>>>>> > library does the same thing but has no gui, is only useful from
>>>>> > applications. My question is what do you use Jovie for exactly?
>>>>> Here
>>>>> > are the ways replacements using QtSpeech "Just Work" in my mind.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Want to hear notifications from any KDE application like Jovie/ktts
>>>>> > did? Turn that on in the application's notifications
>>>>> configuration. It
>>>>> > uses QtSpeech to speak the notification, title, message or both.
>>>>> Just
>>>>> > like it did previously with ktts/jovie.
>>>>> > Want to read a document out loud? Use Okular's QtSpeech actions in
>>>>> > it's menu. It sends either the selected text or the current page
>>>>> to be
>>>>> > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly for listening to the document.
>>>>> > Want to read out loud a web article of some kind? Use Firefox's tts
>>>>> > features to read it out to you. It doesn't use QtSpeech, but
>>>>> interacts
>>>>> > with speech-dispatcher directly if I recall correctly.
>>>>> > Want to type some text and hear it spoken? This can be done in a
>>>>> > number of ways. 1. spd-say command line tool. 2. espeak or
>>>>> espeak-ng
>>>>> > or festival, or pico or any other tts directly from command
>>>>> line. 3.
>>>>> > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a gui. KMouth uses
>>>>> speech-dispatcher
>>>>> > directly if I recall correctly and provides a nice gui with a
>>>>> > customizable dictionary of commonly used words, etc.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > With the above, what is the use of Jovie anymore? If there's a use
>>>>> > case that isn't covered by the above we can certainly revive
>>>>> Jovie and
>>>>> > fill the gap if there is one, but in my mind the above uses are
>>>>> > already covered.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > thanks,
>>>>> > Jeremy Whiting
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude DaShiell
>>>>> <jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>>> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Quite agree with you on that score.???? A new version of
>>>>> redcore
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Linux is
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? available for download and it has a very current kernel
>>>>> and its
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? default
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? desktop is kde plasma.???? Maybe one thing jovie might
>>>>> >do
>>>>> when
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? started up is
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? to locate something like espeak-ng or espeak or
>>>>> speech-dispatcher and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? start those up first then come up on its own.??? If it
>>>>> >finds
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the user to run spd-conf
>>>>> to get
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? speech-dispatcher configured correctly but could generate
>>>>> a default
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? spd.conf file and let the user know that it's there and
>>>>> >maybe
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? reconfigure
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? if problems arise.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > Festival was not much of an improvement in voice
>>>>> quality.???
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Embrola, as you
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > say, was too difficult to configure.???? I'll check
>>>>> >out
>>>>> Fenrir,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? and tdsr but the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > voice quality is TOTALLY secondary - a smoothly working
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? jovie/espeak (or
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > equivalent) is quite adequate to get things done.????
>>>>> Which in
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? theend is really
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > the important thing. Gustav
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > On 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > > fenrir and tdsr are a couple more to check out and
>>>>> mbrola and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? festival can
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > > maybe help the human speech situation though not
>>>>> >easily
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? configured.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts quite some years
>>>>> >ago.????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Qtspeech is supposed
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> to
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> be a partial replacement, but there is no frontend
>>>>> program to
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? manage the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> output of speechdispatcher (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
>>>>> works
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? fine for me, but
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> bothers everyne else who listens to my computer
>>>>> outptut (my
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? partner and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> friends).????? e-speak is clear enough, just does
>>>>> not sound
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? like a person.???
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> Good,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> I'll look into espeak-ng, thanks! Gustav
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >> On 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> I had read somewhere ktts was supposed to have
>>>>> >replaced
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? jovie.???? Also,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> espeak-ng is a successor to espeak.???? It's good
>>>>> you got any
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? of this
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> working.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu,
>>>>> 21 Oct
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? 2021 04:36:27
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> From: Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> To: Simion
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> <simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>,
>>>>> >?? ?? ? kde-accessibility at kde.org
>>>>> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
>>>>> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Subject: Re: Is there a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> project that is jovie successor?
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> Hi Simion,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> Thanks for your input and effort.?????? ?????? I
>>>>> carefuly looked
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? over everything
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> you
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> mentioned, including the script but it has taken me
>>>>> a long
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? time.?????? ?????? I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> only
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> have a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> rudimentary??????? knowledge of
>>>>> scripts.?????? ?????? ?????? So
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? modifying or writing
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> scripts
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> is beyond
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> my current possibility, especially with my vision
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? problems.?????? ?????? But it
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> really
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> helped me to look everything over.?????? ?????? I
>>>>> decided the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? best way was to go
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> back
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> to
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> trying to install it from the opensuse
>>>>> repos.?????? ?????? I had
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? failed the first
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> time and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> created a great confusion in my setup. But it was a
>>>>> spare
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? "test" setup on
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> separate partition.?????? ????? I spent a lot of
>>>>> time cleaning
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? up the repos,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> updating and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> cleaning up. And now Jovie works on opensuse
>>>>> 15.3!?????? ?????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? The packages come
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> from
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> unofficial repos, but someone else with the tech
>>>>> knowhow has
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? put it
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> together.?????? ?
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> I am "forced" to upgrade soon, since the opensuse
>>>>> 15.2 EOL
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? is soon.?????? ????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> But
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> now I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> can move forward hopefully for another 1.5 years,
>>>>> the life
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? of 15.3 until a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> better solution comes.?????? ?????? I hope you or
>>>>> someone else
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? can help come up
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> with
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> replacement for Jovie.?????? ?????? Thanks for
>>>>> >your
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? efforts.?????? ?????? Gustav.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> p.s. I'm posting back on the list in case it may
>>>>> >help
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? someone else.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>> On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> Hi Gustav,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I personally would try to compile it, if I am
>>>>> unable I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? would try first a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> simple bash script, the issue with next script is
>>>>> that is not
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> queuing????????????? the tasks so you can get 2
>>>>> speakers at
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? the same time
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> or
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> you
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> can edit the script to "killall" previous taks
>>>>> >(so an
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? application that
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> runs
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> in background would be needed to improve the
>>>>> experience)
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> #! /bin/bash
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> xclip -out -selection primary | xclip -in
>>>>> -selection clipboard
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" " " | espeak
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> #end script
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> or maybe python or nodejs
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I am tempted to write something to do some
>>>>> cleanup on the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? input,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> like when I want to read an entire reddit page of
>>>>> omments
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? would be nice
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> if
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> could????????????? clean it up??????????????
>>>>> first and remove
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? all the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> "reply/report
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> ..." buttons labels
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> The reason I decided that in future I would use
>>>>> espeak is
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? because in my
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> current configuration jovie uses speech
>>>>> dispatcher and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? speech dispatcher
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> uses
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra layer so a new placed
>>>>> that
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? could cause
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> problems
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> (but yes Qt5 would be nice to have if you plant
>>>>> to write a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? cross
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> operating
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> system desktop application).
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> I have no plans to upgrade from my system
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? soon,?????????????? maybe when I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> will
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> upgrade my computer or I am forced to upgrade.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> You probably need to install and configure
>>>>> espeak, the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? language and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> speed,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> you can have a key bind to?????????????? run the
>>>>> script, you
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? can modify the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> script
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> to?????????????? add something like "killall
>>>>> espeak" to stop
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? the previous
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> Sorry I can't help more.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> Regards, Simion
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>> Hi Simion,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>> Thanks for taking the time and for your effort.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Hi Simion,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed reply.?????????????? I
>>>>> >use
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? opensuse leap 15.2
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> with
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> KDE
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7. ?????????????? Jovie
>>>>> continues to
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? work fine even
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> though
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> it has been deprecated.?????????????? However,
>>>>> it no longer
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? works on
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> opensuse
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life is in December this
>>>>> >year.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Someone has built
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the Open Build Service of
>>>>> Suse, but
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? I could not
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> get
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> it
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> to install properly, I think it's due to the Qt
>>>>> changes,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? I got a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> dependency
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> mess.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> I have been trying to find a replacement for
>>>>> Jovie for 3
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? years at
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> least,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> since it was clear it would no longer be
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? maintained.?????????????? Read
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Aloud
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> is
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that fills all the browser
>>>>> needs.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Thunderbird also
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> has
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it only works for
>>>>> single emails
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? and top posted
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> replies, list messages, etc.?????????????? It
>>>>> reads only
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? from top to
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> bottom
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> without being able to select only parts of the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? mail.??????????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> LibreOffice
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin that even reads the
>>>>> clipboard
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? contents, but
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> it
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> is cumbersome.???????????? Okular has a nice TTS
>>>>> function,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? but it often
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> starts
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> two different simultaneous but voices of the
>>>>> same text
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? which can't be
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> understood.???????????? Sometimes id functions
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? fine.?????????????? That is
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> where I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> use TTS the most, and periodically to read out
>>>>> >error
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? messages, text
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> boxes
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is indispensable and for
>>>>> which I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? don't have an
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> adequate
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> substitute).
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Any suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
>>>>> Jovie from
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? a tar
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> binary??????????????? Or are you seriously
>>>>> thinking of
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? building a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> replacement
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> for
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> Hi, no problem ,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no Simon, don't worry it
>>>>> is OK
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? just want to
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> mention
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like typos in emails
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my fork with a few
>>>>> crash fixes
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I use directly espeak
>>>>> >.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to give up on Jovie but my
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? conclussion was to not
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> use
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my own replacement,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> since I would not need some crossplatform
>>>>> solution I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? could probably
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> make
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> python application , or even something that
>>>>> runs in the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? or nodejs.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I can still compile
>>>>> jovie , I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? have a keyboard
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> with
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my workflow is to copy
>>>>> paste stuff
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? in clipboard
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> and
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> using my keys I can play/pause/resume. I still
>>>>> >use
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? espeak as backend
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> with
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> voice speed set to max.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> Hello Simon,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on the accessibility
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> list.????????????????????????????????????????????????? I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? also have
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> serious
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> eye
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> blind.????????????????????????????????????????????????? I
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? have been
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> using
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> Jovie
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> for most of my computer time for years and I
>>>>> am trying
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? to find a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> replacement for
>>>>> >?? ? ?? it.????????????????????????????????????????????????? In
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> my
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader is not
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? Excuse me for
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> writing
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> you
>>>>> >?? ? ?? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>>>> Can I ask
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> you
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> more about this
>>>>> >?? ? ?? issue??????????????????????????????????????????????
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> Gustav
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM, Simion wrote:
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that jovie is not be ported
>>>>> to KDE5
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? and that the
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't find if someone
>>>>> started a
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? replacement for
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> jovie
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate QtSpeech and see if it
>>>>> works
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? properly on
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> if
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>> there is no such a project started is there
>>>>> >any
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? interest in it?
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? > >>
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? >
>>>>> >?? ?? ?? >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
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