Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
Gustav Degreef
gustav97 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 22 20:52:04 BST 2021
It sounds like festival is probably the culprit for Okular also. I'll
try and track it down/fix it/post back. Thanks for this and for
whatever you can do, Gustav
On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has many voices from many
> countries available to use. So you don't want to be running espeak or you
> don't want to be running festival-server one or the other. That should
> solve that problem. Somewhere in kmouth configuration it starts up
> festival-server and commenting that line out ought to leave you with
> espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
> It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never seen in this life.
> I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing it and see how far
> I don't get. I did software testing for the federal government before
> retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several ssd and sata disks
> I can use.
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>
>> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful reply. I really appreciate
>> your taking this seriously.  I tried Kmouth again (after years). It has:
>>
>> 1) the same problem as Okular. It speaks the text in two simultaneous
>> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding voice) of the same text
>> so the output is incomprehensible.
>> 2) no way to stop the speech output. No pause and no resume.
>> 3)Â It opens a separate window, that I have to look for it on the taskbar -
>> when it is in the background.
>> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another application), I have
>> to navigate to the start button (or other button), this is cumbersome.
>>
>> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted person, but for the partially
>> sighted, it causes delay and frustration. A typical task I do is writing
>> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back to me the sentences,
>> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a sitting).  This helps
>> in revising and editing any significant work. The difference in functionality
>> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other tasks) are pretty huge.
>>
>> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease of use of Jovie,
>> great. I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
>>
>> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>>> Gustav, Simon,
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't considered those
>>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one of the following to
>>> remedy the situation.
>>>
>>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
>>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it has bit rotted
>>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some love and attention anyway.
>>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following features to be
>>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
>>>
>>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control over the queue to
>>> remove entries, etc.
>>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices quickly.
>>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able to speak, play, stop,
>>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
>>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
>>>
>>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice settings that were separate
>>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we should be able to control
>>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.) directly by manipulating
>>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work the configuration gui
>>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's .conf files and have a
>>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them. I'm not sure if that's
>>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet or not. If not it
>>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other items should be pretty
>>> straightforward.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity to address this directly.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement is indispensable for those of us
>>> who are partially sighted (not blind).? In my opinion, a screen
>>> reader
>>> (very useful for the blind) actually gets in the way for people
>>> like me.
>>> ? ? Jovie does a very simple and straightforward task - it reads
>>> the most
>>> recent content of the clipboard.? Jovie allows for selecting text
>>> (and
>>> reading it out) in virtually all of the major applications/tasks (and
>>> virtually all others) that a primarily desktop user needs for
>>> every day
>>> use.? Those functions/tasks where? jovie/replacement is needed are:
>>>
>>> 1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) Kate
>>> 2) e-mail client - imc thunderbird
>>> 3) browser - imc Firefox
>>> 4) pdf reader - imc Okular
>>> 5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
>>> 6) text from "program to user output" (error messages, text boxes,
>>> command line output, etc).
>>> 7) miscellaneous programs not so often used.
>>>
>>> In my experience/opinion:
>>> Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and requires too many steps.
>>> using the command line adds several steps that disturb the flow of
>>> work,
>>> it is not simple to have to switch windows and then have to type a
>>> command.
>>>
>>> Indispensable (for partially sighted) aspects of Jovie or Jovie
>>> replacement:
>>>
>>> 1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks or steps or commands to get
>>> speech output. - ideal use is with mouse or keyboard shortcut.
>>> Currently
>>> jovie takes three simple steps with mouse or keyboard shortcut - text
>>> select, text copy,? then start/etc. speech output.
>>> 2) being able to select all or ONLY part of a piece of text - with
>>> the
>>> mouse or shortcut.
>>> 3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume speech output with mouse or
>>> shortcut.
>>> 4) Sits in system tray or functions from menu that appears on right
>>> click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
>>>
>>>
>>> There are currently add ons to programs that COULD fulfill most of
>>> these
>>> requirements,? however they do not all work well:
>>>
>>> 1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in function for tts.
>>> 2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin: very limited, it reads the ENTIRE
>>> message with some headers. Does not allow for selecting a portion
>>> of the
>>> text, can't stop, can't pause/resume.? Totally inadequate for a
>>> bottom
>>> posted list message.
>>> 3) Firefox - Read Aloud plugin:? works quite well, has all needed
>>> functions.
>>> 4) Okular - nice built in tts function, easy to select text, right
>>> click
>>> mouse to output speech.? However it outputs (at least on
>>> opensuse) two
>>> simultaneous speech streams (of the same text) with different
>>> voices and
>>> it is impossible to understand.
>>> 5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but it is cumbersome and adds
>>> several
>>> steps.? It has a nice feature to output the contents of the
>>> clipboard
>>> but it requires too many steps.
>>> 6) program to user output - kmouth or command line seem the only
>>> alternative to Jovie
>>> 7) miscellaneous programs (with no plugins or built in tts)? -
>>> same as 6)
>>>
>>> It seems clear that a lot of developers are aware/are working on
>>> tts for
>>> various programs, and that is very encouraging and great. However,
>>> it is
>>> a time of great transition and the tts functions (without Jovie) are
>>> quite inadequate for the partially sighted (for example, from macular
>>> degeneration which is fairly common). Thanks, Gustav.
>>>
>>> On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>>> > Hello all,
>>> >
>>> > I've been quietly watching this conversation for a bit but need to
>>> > chime in here. I'm the one that changed the name from ktts to Jovie
>>> > many years ago. Then deprecated Jovie itself when QtSpeech came
>>> about.
>>> > I'm very curious about what use cases there still are for Jovie.
>>> > Shortly before the name change from ktts to Jovie it was
>>> drastically
>>> > changed to just be a gui on top of Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
>>> > library does the same thing but has no gui, is only useful from
>>> > applications. My question is what do you use Jovie for exactly?
>>> Here
>>> > are the ways replacements using QtSpeech "Just Work" in my mind.
>>> >
>>> > Want to hear notifications from any KDE application like Jovie/ktts
>>> > did? Turn that on in the application's notifications
>>> configuration. It
>>> > uses QtSpeech to speak the notification, title, message or both.
>>> Just
>>> > like it did previously with ktts/jovie.
>>> > Want to read a document out loud? Use Okular's QtSpeech actions in
>>> > it's menu. It sends either the selected text or the current page
>>> to be
>>> > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly for listening to the document.
>>> > Want to read out loud a web article of some kind? Use Firefox's tts
>>> > features to read it out to you. It doesn't use QtSpeech, but
>>> interacts
>>> > with speech-dispatcher directly if I recall correctly.
>>> > Want to type some text and hear it spoken? This can be done in a
>>> > number of ways. 1. spd-say command line tool. 2. espeak or
>>> espeak-ng
>>> > or festival, or pico or any other tts directly from command
>>> line. 3.
>>> > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a gui. KMouth uses
>>> speech-dispatcher
>>> > directly if I recall correctly and provides a nice gui with a
>>> > customizable dictionary of commonly used words, etc.
>>> >
>>> > With the above, what is the use of Jovie anymore? If there's a use
>>> > case that isn't covered by the above we can certainly revive
>>> Jovie and
>>> > fill the gap if there is one, but in my mind the above uses are
>>> > already covered.
>>> >
>>> > thanks,
>>> > Jeremy Whiting
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude DaShiell
>>> <jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>
>>> > <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com <mailto:jdashiel at panix.com>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >? ? ? Quite agree with you on that score.??? A new version of
>>> redcore
>>> >? ? ? Linux is
>>> >? ? ? available for download and it has a very current kernel
>>> and its
>>> >? ? ? default
>>> >? ? ? desktop is kde plasma.??? Maybe one thing jovie might do
>>> when
>>> >? ? ? started up is
>>> >? ? ? to locate something like espeak-ng or espeak or
>>> speech-dispatcher and
>>> >? ? ? start those up first then come up on its own.??? If it finds
>>> >? ? ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the user to run spd-conf
>>> to get
>>> >? ? ? speech-dispatcher configured correctly but could generate
>>> a default
>>> >? ? ? spd.conf file and let the user know that it's there and maybe
>>> >? ? ? reconfigure
>>> >? ? ? if problems arise.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >? ? ? On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>> >
>>> >? ? ? > Festival was not much of an improvement in voice
>>> quality.???
>>> >? ? ? Embrola, as you
>>> >? ? ? > say, was too difficult to configure.??? I'll check out
>>> Fenrir,
>>> >? ? ? and tdsr but the
>>> >? ? ? > voice quality is TOTALLY secondary - a smoothly working
>>> >? ? ? jovie/espeak (or
>>> >? ? ? > equivalent) is quite adequate to get things done.???Â
>>> Which in
>>> >? ? ? theend is really
>>> >? ? ? > the important thing. Gustav
>>> >? ? ? >
>>> >? ? ? > On 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > > fenrir and tdsr are a couple more to check out and
>>> mbrola and
>>> >? ? ? festival can
>>> >? ? ? > > maybe help the human speech situation though not easily
>>> >? ? ? configured.
>>> >? ? ? > >
>>> >? ? ? > >
>>> >? ? ? > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >
>>> >? ? ? > >> Actually, Jovie replaced ktts quite some years ago.????
>>> >? ? ? Qtspeech is supposed
>>> >? ? ? > >> to
>>> >? ? ? > >> be a partial replacement, but there is no frontend
>>> program to
>>> >? ? ? manage the
>>> >? ? ? > >> output of speechdispatcher (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
>>> works
>>> >? ? ? fine for me, but
>>> >? ? ? > >> bothers everyne else who listens to my computer
>>> outptut (my
>>> >? ? ? partner and
>>> >? ? ? > >> friends).???? e-speak is clear enough, just does
>>> not sound
>>> >? ? ? like a person.???
>>> >? ? ? > >> Good,
>>> >? ? ? > >> I'll look into espeak-ng, thanks! Gustav
>>> >? ? ? > >>
>>> >? ? ? > >> On 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>> I had read somewhere ktts was supposed to have replaced
>>> >? ? ? jovie.??? Also,
>>> >? ? ? > >>> espeak-ng is a successor to espeak.??? It's good
>>> you got any
>>> >? ? ? of this
>>> >? ? ? > >>> working.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu,
>>> 21 Oct
>>> >? ? ? 2021 04:36:27
>>> >? ? ? > >>> From: Gustav Degreef <gustav97 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>
>>> >? ? ? <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com <mailto:gustav97 at gmail.com>>>
>>> To: Simion
>>> >? ? ? > >>> <simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com <mailto:simion314 at gmail.com>>>,
>>> >? ? ? kde-accessibility at kde.org
>>> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>
>>> <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility at kde.org>>
>>> >? ? ? Subject: Re: Is there a
>>> >? ? ? > >>> project that is jovie successor?
>>> >? ? ? > >>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>> Hi Simion,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>> Thanks for your input and effort.????? ????? I
>>> carefuly looked
>>> >? ? ? over everything
>>> >? ? ? > >>> you
>>> >? ? ? > >>> mentioned, including the script but it has taken me
>>> a long
>>> >? ? ? time.????? ????? I
>>> >? ? ? > >>> only
>>> >? ? ? > >>> have a
>>> >? ? ? > >>> rudimentary?????? knowledge of
>>> scripts.????? ????? ????? So
>>> >? ? ? modifying or writing
>>> >? ? ? > >>> scripts
>>> >? ? ? > >>> is beyond
>>> >? ? ? > >>> my current possibility, especially with my vision
>>> >? ? ? problems.????? ????? But it
>>> >? ? ? > >>> really
>>> >? ? ? > >>> helped me to look everything over.????? ????? I
>>> decided the
>>> >? ? ? best way was to go
>>> >? ? ? > >>> back
>>> >? ? ? > >>> to
>>> >? ? ? > >>> trying to install it from the opensuse
>>> repos.????? ????? I had
>>> >? ? ? failed the first
>>> >? ? ? > >>> time and
>>> >? ? ? > >>> created a great confusion in my setup. But it was a
>>> spare
>>> >? ? ? "test" setup on
>>> >? ? ? > >>> a
>>> >? ? ? > >>> separate partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of
>>> time cleaning
>>> >? ? ? up the repos,
>>> >? ? ? > >>> updating and
>>> >? ? ? > >>> cleaning up. And now Jovie works on opensuse
>>> 15.3!????? ?????
>>> >? ? ? The packages come
>>> >? ? ? > >>> from
>>> >? ? ? > >>> unofficial repos, but someone else with the tech
>>> knowhow has
>>> >? ? ? put it
>>> >? ? ? > >>> together.????? ?
>>> >? ? ? > >>> I am "forced" to upgrade soon, since the opensuse
>>> 15.2 EOL
>>> >? ? ? is soon.????? ????
>>> >? ? ? > >>> But
>>> >? ? ? > >>> now I
>>> >? ? ? > >>> can move forward hopefully for another 1.5 years,
>>> the life
>>> >? ? ? of 15.3 until a
>>> >? ? ? > >>> better solution comes.????? ????? I hope you or
>>> someone else
>>> >? ? ? can help come up
>>> >? ? ? > >>> with
>>> >? ? ? > >>> a
>>> >? ? ? > >>> replacement for Jovie.????? ????? Thanks for your
>>> >? ? ? efforts.????? ????? Gustav.
>>> >? ? ? > >>> p.s. I'm posting back on the list in case it may help
>>> >? ? ? someone else.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>> On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>>> On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> Hi Gustav,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I personally would try to compile it, if I am
>>> unable I
>>> >? ? ? would try first a
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> simple bash script, the issue with next script is
>>> that is not
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> queuing????????????? the tasks so you can get 2
>>> speakers at
>>> >? ? ? the same time
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> or
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> you
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> can edit the script to "killall" previous taks (so an
>>> >? ? ? application that
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> runs
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> in background would be needed to improve the
>>> experience)
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> #! /bin/bash
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> xclip -out -selection primary | xclip -in
>>> -selection clipboard
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" " " | espeak
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> #end script
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> or maybe python or nodejs
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I am tempted to write something to do some
>>> cleanup on the
>>> >? ? ? input,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> like when I want to read an entire reddit page of
>>> omments
>>> >? ? ? would be nice
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> if
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> could????????????? clean it up?????????????Â
>>> first and remove
>>> >? ? ? all the
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> "reply/report
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> ..." buttons labels
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> The reason I decided that in future I would use
>>> espeak is
>>> >? ? ? because in my
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> current configuration jovie uses speech
>>> dispatcher and
>>> >? ? ? speech dispatcher
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> uses
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> espeak , Qt5 is a new extra layer so a new placed
>>> that
>>> >? ? ? could cause
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> problems
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> (but yes Qt5 would be nice to have if you plant
>>> to write a
>>> >? ? ? cross
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> operating
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> system desktop application).
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> I have no plans to upgrade from my system
>>> >? ? ? soon,????????????? maybe when I
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> will
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> upgrade my computer or I am forced to upgrade.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> You probably need to install and configure
>>> espeak, the
>>> >? ? ? language and
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> speed,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> you can have a key bind to????????????? run the
>>> script, you
>>> >? ? ? can modify the
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> script
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> to????????????? add something like "killall
>>> espeak" to stop
>>> >? ? ? the previous
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> Sorry I can't help more.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> Regards, Simion
>>> >? ? ? > >>>> Hi Simion,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>> Thanks for taking the time and for your effort.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>> On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Hi Simion,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Thanks for your detailed reply.????????????? I use
>>> >? ? ? opensuse leap 15.2
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> with
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> KDE
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7. ????????????? Jovie
>>> continues to
>>> >? ? ? work fine even
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> though
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> it has been deprecated.????????????? However,
>>> it no longer
>>> >? ? ? works on
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> opensuse
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> 15.3 and 15.2 end of life is in December this year.
>>> >? ? ? Someone has built
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> packages for Jovie on the Open Build Service of
>>> Suse, but
>>> >? ? ? I could not
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> get
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> it
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> to install properly, I think it's due to the Qt
>>> changes,
>>> >? ? ? I got a
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> dependency
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> mess.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> I have been trying to find a replacement for
>>> Jovie for 3
>>> >? ? ? years at
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> least,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> since it was clear it would no longer be
>>> >? ? ? maintained.????????????? Read
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Aloud
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> is
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> a plugin for Firefox that fills all the browser
>>> needs.
>>> >? ? ? Thunderbird also
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> has
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> a Read Aloud plugin, but it only works for
>>> single emails
>>> >? ? ? and top posted
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> replies, list messages, etc.????????????? It
>>> reads only
>>> >? ? ? from top to
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> bottom
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> without being able to select only parts of the
>>> >? ? ? mail.??????????
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> LibreOffice
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> has a text to speech plugin that even reads the
>>> clipboard
>>> >? ? ? contents, but
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> it
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> is cumbersome.???????????? Okular has a nice TTS
>>> function,
>>> >? ? ? but it often
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> starts
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> two different simultaneous but voices of the
>>> same text
>>> >? ? ? which can't be
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> understood.???????????? Sometimes id functions
>>> >? ? ? fine.????????????? That is
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> where I
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> use TTS the most, and periodically to read out error
>>> >? ? ? messages, text
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> boxes
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> etc (for which Jovie is indispensable and for
>>> which I
>>> >? ? ? don't have an
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> adequate
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> substitute).
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Any suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
>>> Jovie from
>>> >? ? ? a tar
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> binary?????????????? Or are you seriously
>>> thinking of
>>> >? ? ? building a
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> replacement
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> for
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> Hi, no problem ,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> btw my name is Simion no Simon, don't worry it
>>> is OK
>>> >? ? ? just want to
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> mention
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> it to prevent issues like typos in emails
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I still use Jovie, from my fork with a few
>>> crash fixes
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I have some scripts that I use directly espeak .
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> I was not yet forced to give up on Jovie but my
>>> >? ? ? conclussion was to not
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> use
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> Qt if I have to write my own replacement,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> since I would not need some crossplatform
>>> solution I
>>> >? ? ? could probably
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> make
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> a
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> python application , or even something that
>>> runs in the
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>> >? ? ? or nodejs.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> But for now on my distro I can still compile
>>> jovie , I
>>> >? ? ? have a keyboard
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> with
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> multipmedia keys so my workflow is to copy
>>> paste stuff
>>> >? ? ? in clipboard
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> and
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> using my keys I can play/pause/resume. I still use
>>> >? ? ? espeak as backend
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> with
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> voice speed set to max.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>> On 8/26/21 12:37 PM, Gustav Degreef wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Hello Simon,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> I saw your old message on the accessibility
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
>>> list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
>>> >? ? ? also have
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> serious
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> eye
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> problems, though I am not
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
>>> blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
>>> >? ? ? have been
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> using
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Jovie
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> for most of my computer time for years and I
>>> am trying
>>> >? ? ? to find a
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> replacement for
>>> >? ? ? it.???????????????????????????????????????????????? In
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> my
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> situation a screen reader is not
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
>>> suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
>>> >? ? ? Excuse me for
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> writing
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> you
>>> >? ? ? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>> Can I ask
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> you
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> more about this
>>> >? ? ? issue??????????????????????????????????????????????
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> Gustav
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>> On 5/12/18 10:18 AM, Simion wrote:
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> Hello, So I know that jovie is not be ported
>>> to KDE5
>>> >? ? ? and that the
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> idea
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> is
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> to use QtSpeech, I can't find if someone
>>> started a
>>> >? ? ? replacement for
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> jovie
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> that uses QtSpeech yet.
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> I plan to investigate QtSpeech and see if it
>>> works
>>> >? ? ? properly on
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> Linux,
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> if
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>> there is no such a project started is there any
>>> >? ? ? interest in it?
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>>>>>>>>
>>> >? ? ? > >>
>>> >? ? ? > >>
>>> >? ? ? >
>>> >? ? ? >
>>> >? ? ? >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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