[Kde-accessibility] can't subscribe to list

Wed May 11 20:11:11 UTC 2016

Right now, to the best of my knowledge no kde-plasma install iso exists 
with orca also already on it.  If I find an iso like that, I'll be sure 
to make sure kaccessible is also installed since orca is lately having 
some trouble with some of the newer qt stuff.  I'm retired now so have 
time to do bug testing so could help out.  It's possible a sighted 
friend I have could build me an iso and mail it to me when he has time. 
He isn't retired yet.

On Wed, 11 May 2016, Jeremy Whiting wrote:

> Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 11:33:31
> From: Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting at kde.org>
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> Cc: kde-accessibility at kde.org
> Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] can't subscribe to list
> 
> Jude,
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com> wrote:
>> So kde didn't come up with its own screen reader, this is good to know.
>
> Well some kde developers came up with kaccessible, which is a screen
> reader that only works with Qt based applications. Orca seems to work
> better since it can read the ui of both Qt based and GTK+ based
> applications. Orca is supposed to "just work" with many applications,
> however there may be some bugs in Qt itself or KDE libraries that give
> it some trouble. I don't think it gets as much testing as it needs
> either. It's a classic chicken and egg problem. Not enough people test
> orca with kde/plasma, so bugs with that setup aren't reported as much
> as bugs with other setups. Because it's not as well tested, there
> aren't as many people trying it out either.
>
>> What
>> Apple did with VoiceOver in this context may be useful to describe.
>>  In 2008 I purchased a Mac Mini which turned out to have the older chips in
>> it that would not upgrade beyond snow leopard.  It came with OSX10.4 Tiger
>> not installed.  I by myself hooked the computer up and tried to get it
>> working not knowing the operating system was not already installed.  I was
>> by myself at the time too.  I put one dvd in the combo drive and it got
>> ejected promptly.  The package came with two dvd's so I was down to my last
>> card.  I put the second DVD in the drive and it started spinning up.  I
>> waited and suddenly VoiceOver came on and started asking questions which I
>> answered with the keyboard.  When I finished I had to customize an operating
>> system for accessibility I found a website for that later and got four years
>> good use out of that computer until it was struck by lightning.  Such an
>> experience has always been and I suspect will always be impossible with
>> Microsoft Windows which is why I won't have it on any equipment I own and
>> use; I can't reinstall it by myself on a bare metal machine.  What triggered
>> VoiceOver wasn't anything I did, VoiceOver got triggered because I didn't
>> answer a question that appeared on the screen within an expected time
>> interval.  I am curious, could an installation disk go out and get orca if
>> needed install orca and activate it in the event a would-be installer failed
>> to answer a question within an expected time interval?
>
> I was surprised the last time I installed debian that there was an
> install option in the bootup to install with speech help. It was
> terminal based, probably using speakup, but worked pretty well. I
> can't remember if it ended up with a gui environment at the end or
> not, but probably could.
>
> BR,
> Jeremy
>>
>> On Tue, 10 May 2016, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 16:45:09
>>> From: Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting at kde.org>
>>> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>> Cc: kde-accessibility at kde.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] can't subscribe to list
>>>
>>>
>>> Jude,
>>>
>>> I hate to disappoint but here's the reality. Jovie isn't a
>>> screenreader so couldn't be used to make it so a blind person could
>>> use a kde/plasma desktop out of the box. To do that you would need a
>>> distribution with kde/plasma and also orca screen reader. I haven't
>>> heard of such a distribution, but it should be possible.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Captcha prevented that from happening since I use lynx and do so on a
>>>> remote
>>>> server and have been totally blind from birth.
>>>>
>>>> My reason for having wanted to subscribe was to find out if anyone has
>>>> built
>>>> an iso with kde and with jovie set up so a blind user could install that
>>>> distro using jovie and have kde come up talking afterward.  This happens
>>>> several times with gnome but I've heard of no efforts on the part of the
>>>> kde
>>>> community to make a kde-accessible linux distribution by way of
>>>> competition.
>>>> From what I recently read on the jovie wiki it appears as if jovie may be
>>>> ready to handle this level of work if someone had put the effort out to
>>>> get
>>>> it done since 2012.  Slackware being the oldest commercial linux distro
>>>> with
>>>> kde would appear to be a natural for this especially since speakup access
>>>> got broken by linux kernel developer intern a couple years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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