[Kde-accessibility] Re: [Kwin] Size of window borders

[Lubos Lunak]

On Tuesday 16 of September 2003 11:06, Luciano Montanaro wrote:
> On Monday 15 September 2003 12:46, Gunnar Schmi Dt wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > By looking on lists.kde.org I found that on the kwin at mail.kde.org mailing
> > list there was a thread in which was discussed whether there should be a
> > slider selecting the exact pixel-width of a window border or if it is
> > sufficient to have fixed settings (e.g., "normal"=6, "large"=12, "very
> > large"=24, "huge"=48). If I read correctly it was decided to use the
> > fixed settings.
> >
> > I wonder why nobody asked on the kde-accessibility at mail.kde.org list if
> > this fits the accessibility needs.

 Sorry. I noticed some mails from Luciano on the accessibility list (about 
changing the CDE client IIRC), and I assumed he's subscribed there and will 
take care of this.

> >
> > In fact, specifying the pixel width is not necessary (on a 30 or 40 pixel
> > wide border one pixel is nothing). However, with only 12, 24 and 48 as
> > choices the handicapped user cannot really select what _he_needs_.
> >
> > Is it possible to add some more choices, e.g.: 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 19, 24,
> > 30, 38, 48? That way you can get nearer to your needs.
> >
> > Gunnar Schmi Dt
>
> In fact, the accessibility list should have been involved, yes.
>
> When Lubos proposed the fixed settings, my first request was for a
> thickness slider. Yes, it gives more precision than it is actually
> necessary, but the precision can simply be ignored. If you need a large
> border, just move the slider to a high value. The pixel size should not
> even be displayed.
>
> I don't find having a choice between ten values to be better than having
> the ability to choose the 'exact' width, it's just the same.
>
> For me, it's either give the user a _small_ set of sizes(3-4), or give her
> the ability to choose whatever she likes. Anything in-between makes no
> sense.
>
> On the other hand, the "fixed setting" is not meant to be fixed at all,
> it is just a hint to the decoration that "normal" or "big" or "huge"
> borders are requested. If a decoration "normal" border is 3 pixels, a
> "huge" border could be, let's say 24 pixels, but it is up to the decoration
> writer to choose the exact size.

 Agreed. Moreover, I expect that most decorations will implement only few 
sizes at most anyway, as they use pre-made pixmaps for the decoration 
buttons, and I don't think their developers will bother with scaling them to 
10 different sizes.

 Currently, there are these options: BorderTiny, BorderNormal, BorderLarge, 
BorderVeryLarge, BorderHuge. It's up to the decoration to decide what this 
means in terms of pixel sizes, it's only said that BorderNormal is the normal 
size. I can add more values, if you want (and suggest names for them), but I 
personally doubt having 10 levels makes sense.


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