[Kde-accessibility] Re: [Kwin] Size of window borders

[Gunnar Schmi Dt]

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Hello,

On Tuesday 16 September 2003 12:59, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 of September 2003 11:06, Luciano Montanaro wrote:
> > On Monday 15 September 2003 12:46, Gunnar Schmi Dt wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > I wonder why nobody asked on the kde-accessibility at mail.kde.org list if
> > > this fits the accessibility needs.
>
>  Sorry. I noticed some mails from Luciano on the accessibility list (about
> changing the CDE client IIRC), and I assumed he's subscribed there and will
> take care of this.
>
Well, those mails were cross-posted between the kde-core-devel and the 
kde-a11y mailing lists.

> > [...]
> > When Lubos proposed the fixed settings, my first request was for a
> > thickness slider. Yes, it gives more precision than it is actually
> > necessary, but the precision can simply be ignored. If you need a large
> > border, just move the slider to a high value. The pixel size should not
> > even be displayed.
> >
> > I don't find having a choice between ten values to be better than having
> > the ability to choose the 'exact' width, it's just the same.
> >
> > For me, it's either give the user a _small_ set of sizes(3-4), or give
> > her the ability to choose whatever she likes. Anything in-between makes
> > no sense.
> >
> > On the other hand, the "fixed setting" is not meant to be fixed at all,
> > it is just a hint to the decoration that "normal" or "big" or "huge"
> > borders are requested. If a decoration "normal" border is 3 pixels, a
> > "huge" border could be, let's say 24 pixels, but it is up to the
> > decoration writer to choose the exact size.
>
>  Agreed. Moreover, I expect that most decorations will implement only few
> sizes at most anyway, as they use pre-made pixmaps for the decoration
> buttons, and I don't think their developers will bother with scaling them
> to 10 different sizes.
>
This "agreed" belongs to which statement? As I wrote in my answer to the mail 
from Luciano having only five different sizes creates problems, so I would 
suggest to either have a slider or to have some more standard sizes. Also 
these standard sizes should include a recommended border width (well, it is 
up to the decoration to follow that recommendation or not).

>  Currently, there are these options: BorderTiny, BorderNormal, BorderLarge,
> BorderVeryLarge, BorderHuge. It's up to the decoration to decide what this
> means in terms of pixel sizes, it's only said that BorderNormal is the
> normal size. I can add more values, if you want (and suggest names for
> them), but I personally doubt having 10 levels makes sense.

What about:
Tiny (3 pixels)
Small (5 pixels)
Medium (8 pixels)
Large (12 pixels)
Very Large (17 pixels)
Huge (23 pixels)
Very Huge (30 pixels)
Oversized (38 pixels)


Gunnar Schmi Dt

P.S.:
Please don't forget to post to both the kwin and the kde-accessibility mailing
lists. (If kde-accessibility is too long, you can also use kde-a11y).
- -- 
Co-maintainer of the KDE Accessibility Project
Maintainer of the kdeaccessibility package
http://accessibility.kde.org/
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