random and fixed features in mutipledataset

[Akshay Kumar]

Hii Emmanuel,
By static data here, we just mean that the list mentioned in the dataset
should be used as it is, without randomly arranging its items, right?

On 02-Aug-2019 10:54 PM, "Emmanuel Charruau" <echarruau at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I read in Johnny's email a part of what I wanted to answer.
> We will need for school an option to be able to use static data and for
> public version the random mode.
> We could keep a single word to provide the data and a Boolean version to
> say if we work in static or random mode.
>
> Emmanuel
>
> Le ven. 2 août 2019 à 18:26, Johnny Jazeix <jazeix at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>> let's not forget there are 2 main use cases of GCompris: at school
>> (under a teacher, meaning they want to use GCompris to teach a
>> specific feature) or at home (where we should be able to provide
>> multiple different levels and not always the same ones).
>>
>> Depending on the activities we port to multiple dataset, it may make
>> sense to have a multiple dataset supporting both conditions to please
>> both worlds.
>> Maybe the activity can be reworked to keep the current behaviour and
>> on some keywords, making a static dataset.
>>
>> The multiple dataset only provides data, it's up to the activity to
>> handle it how it wants :).
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>>
>> Le ven. 2 août 2019 à 15:16, Timothée Giet <animtim at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm sorry I don't agree with that idea:
>> >
>> > -having a fixed list like makes the activity predictable for the user,
>> > so it's better to keep the randomness for the user to always have to
>> > really look and think to provide the result accordingly.
>> >
>> > -you talk about "if I'm working on a new number...", but that is not the
>> > way it works, as each dataset provides a range of number, not a specific
>> > new number.
>> >
>> > Timo.
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 02/08/2019 à 15:02, Emmanuel Charruau a écrit :
>> > > Hi Akshay, Hi mentors,
>> > >
>> > > I see a major lack on the pedagocical use of multipledataset.
>> > > It is only working in random mode at the moment, which causes me
>> problems.
>> > >
>> > > Let me give you an example.
>> > >
>> > > If I am working on a new number in falling dice, for example 7 I want
>> > > to be able to recall the other numbers but 7 more often than the other
>> > > numbers.
>> > > At the moment we will only give to the config file the following
>> configuration :
>> > >
>> > > "level" : "3",
>> > >          "objective" : qsTr("Select the number on dominoes up to 7"),
>> > >          "words" : [
>> > >             "1",
>> > >             "2",
>> > >             "3",
>> > >             "4",
>> > >             "5",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "7"
>> > >          ]
>> > >
>> > > and apply random choices within these numbers.
>> > >
>> > > We should have the choice to be able to provide exactly the numbers we
>> > > want to use through a list which will not be  random.
>> > >
>> > > Example if I want to teach 7:
>> > >
>> > >        "words" : [
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "2",
>> > >             "3",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "5",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "1",
>> > >             "2",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "4",
>> > >             "5",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "1",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "3",
>> > >             "4",
>> > >             "5",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "1",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "4",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >             "2",
>> > >             "3",
>> > >             "4",
>> > >             "5",
>> > >             "6",
>> > >             "7",
>> > >
>> > >          ]
>> > >
>> > > Note how often 7 is present in the list (also 6 since theoritically it
>> > > is the less well known numbers being just taught).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I would also suggest to rename "words" into StaticListDataList and
>> > > RandomDataList or whatever like this, as the keywords needs to be more
>> > > generic than words and have modes (random or fixed list)
>> > >
>> > > In the activity I am writting at the moment, it will look like this:
>> > >    "words" : [
>> > >             "12345,2",
>> > >             "1245,5",
>> > >             "42,125",
>> > >             "456,85",
>> > >
>> > > you can see that these data are not words.
>> > > There are also other activities where we present images and not words.
>> > >
>> > > Finally if we use new keywords we can choose to keep the actual word
>> > > "words" and not break the compatibility.
>> > >
>> > > Mentors, Akshay feedback is very welcomed :)
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Emmanuel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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