random and fixed features in mutipledataset

[Emmanuel Charruau]

Hi,
Yes, this would be more for the school mode were teachers give
progressive exercices. In class we can not really have random
exercices.
At least I need this option to be able to show gcompris to my collegues.

Thanks,

Emmanuel

Le ven. 2 août 2019 à 23:36, Akshay Kumar <email.akshay98 at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Hii Emmanuel,
> By static data here, we just mean that the list mentioned in the dataset should be used as it is, without randomly arranging its items, right?
>
>
> On 02-Aug-2019 10:54 PM, "Emmanuel Charruau" <echarruau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I read in Johnny's email a part of what I wanted to answer.
>> We will need for school an option to be able to use static data and for public version the random mode.
>> We could keep a single word to provide the data and a Boolean version to say if we work in static or random mode.
>>
>> Emmanuel
>>
>> Le ven. 2 août 2019 à 18:26, Johnny Jazeix <jazeix at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> let's not forget there are 2 main use cases of GCompris: at school
>>> (under a teacher, meaning they want to use GCompris to teach a
>>> specific feature) or at home (where we should be able to provide
>>> multiple different levels and not always the same ones).
>>>
>>> Depending on the activities we port to multiple dataset, it may make
>>> sense to have a multiple dataset supporting both conditions to please
>>> both worlds.
>>> Maybe the activity can be reworked to keep the current behaviour and
>>> on some keywords, making a static dataset.
>>>
>>> The multiple dataset only provides data, it's up to the activity to
>>> handle it how it wants :).
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>>
>>> Le ven. 2 août 2019 à 15:16, Timothée Giet <animtim at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm sorry I don't agree with that idea:
>>> >
>>> > -having a fixed list like makes the activity predictable for the user,
>>> > so it's better to keep the randomness for the user to always have to
>>> > really look and think to provide the result accordingly.
>>> >
>>> > -you talk about "if I'm working on a new number...", but that is not the
>>> > way it works, as each dataset provides a range of number, not a specific
>>> > new number.
>>> >
>>> > Timo.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Le 02/08/2019 à 15:02, Emmanuel Charruau a écrit :
>>> > > Hi Akshay, Hi mentors,
>>> > >
>>> > > I see a major lack on the pedagocical use of multipledataset.
>>> > > It is only working in random mode at the moment, which causes me problems.
>>> > >
>>> > > Let me give you an example.
>>> > >
>>> > > If I am working on a new number in falling dice, for example 7 I want
>>> > > to be able to recall the other numbers but 7 more often than the other
>>> > > numbers.
>>> > > At the moment we will only give to the config file the following configuration :
>>> > >
>>> > > "level" : "3",
>>> > >          "objective" : qsTr("Select the number on dominoes up to 7"),
>>> > >          "words" : [
>>> > >             "1",
>>> > >             "2",
>>> > >             "3",
>>> > >             "4",
>>> > >             "5",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "7"
>>> > >          ]
>>> > >
>>> > > and apply random choices within these numbers.
>>> > >
>>> > > We should have the choice to be able to provide exactly the numbers we
>>> > > want to use through a list which will not be  random.
>>> > >
>>> > > Example if I want to teach 7:
>>> > >
>>> > >        "words" : [
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "2",
>>> > >             "3",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "5",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "1",
>>> > >             "2",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "4",
>>> > >             "5",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "1",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "3",
>>> > >             "4",
>>> > >             "5",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "1",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "4",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >             "2",
>>> > >             "3",
>>> > >             "4",
>>> > >             "5",
>>> > >             "6",
>>> > >             "7",
>>> > >
>>> > >          ]
>>> > >
>>> > > Note how often 7 is present in the list (also 6 since theoritically it
>>> > > is the less well known numbers being just taught).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I would also suggest to rename "words" into StaticListDataList and
>>> > > RandomDataList or whatever like this, as the keywords needs to be more
>>> > > generic than words and have modes (random or fixed list)
>>> > >
>>> > > In the activity I am writting at the moment, it will look like this:
>>> > >    "words" : [
>>> > >             "12345,2",
>>> > >             "1245,5",
>>> > >             "42,125",
>>> > >             "456,85",
>>> > >
>>> > > you can see that these data are not words.
>>> > > There are also other activities where we present images and not words.
>>> > >
>>> > > Finally if we use new keywords we can choose to keep the actual word
>>> > > "words" and not break the compatibility.
>>> > >
>>> > > Mentors, Akshay feedback is very welcomed :)
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > >
>>> > > Emmanuel
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >