lang activity proposition

Mon Oct 3 07:08:00 UTC 2016

Hi,

On 10/02/16 18:00, Horia PELLE wrote:
> Hello,
> In my opinion, the programming effort wouldn’t be huge: it would only 
> suppose an extra button/control to open an existing clip or not. This 
> extra button could be set to have a boolean behavior, i.e., to appear 
> or not, depending if the clip exists (is defined) or not. The children 
> would certainly love any extra information presented in a video clip, 
> and the retention of that word would certainly be better.
> Selecting/trimming 564 clips in national languages of the countries 
> that don’t have a developed film industry – yes – that would certainly 
> be a difficult task. However, I believe that the users from these 
> countries would be more interested in the 
> english-french-german-spanish lang activities than in their mother 
> tongue lang activity. Besides, if the implementation would be 
> “boolean”, there won’t be any frustration: a clip either exists and 
> then there is an extra button, or it doesn’t exist, in which case 
> there isn’t any extra button.
> About the age pool you have mentioned, it depends very much of the 
> parent and the kid: some would prefer animations, others (like my son) 
> would go for the Hollywood celebrities’ acting. This is why it would 
> be very useful to give the user the possibility to customize the clip.

For me, we shouldn't let the user choose which clip it should look at. 
There was a discussion about allowing external links in GCompris a few 
times ago 
(https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004529.html, 
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004535.html 
and following ones). We could think of doing like we do for the voices, 
download an external dataset containing all the videos.
Doing like this, we won't have any issue with the potential disappearing 
links and we can embed free licensed videos (the main issue being to 
find/create them).
For the programming effort, I don't know if Qt provides a media player 
(there is phonon or QtMultimedia but I don't know if it is enough) and 
if there is a format that could be played everywhere without codecs or 
if the format will depend on the OS (like for audio).
> I am not informed about copyrights, but I know that a videoclip 
> wouldn’t exceed more than 30 seconds, so couldn’t it be possible to 
> just obtain the copyright for free, eventually mentioning in a 
> watermark the title, the year and the owning company? I mean come on, 
> there is a good chance that some of these movies would be bought in 
> the future by some of the users, isn’t it?

A solution would be to not use existing part of movies but 
finding/creating ones with the good license. But, if we go this way, I'm 
not sure we'll have enough people to provide us the necessary resources.

> All in all, I still believe that my idea is viable. I hope I’m not the 
> only one... Smile
The idea for sure is interesting but the issues are more with the lack 
of resources and with the licenses as said by Emmanuel and Bruno.

Johnny
> Horia
> *From:* Emmanuel Charruau <mailto:echarruau at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 02 October, 2016 15:32
> *To:* Horia PELLE <mailto:horricane at gmail.com> ; GCompris Devel 
> <mailto:gcompris-devel at kde.org>
> *Subject:* Re: lang activity proposition
> Hi,
> Is this not a too huge task?
> GCompris is translated in many languages, I doubt that this idea if 
> implemented in english will be maintained in an other language.
> Then we have to think that this is for children from 2 to 10, we would 
> have to find the words in kids animation movies mostly, which norrows 
> the source of vocables.
> Then there is this copyright problem. If we solve it with links, who 
> would do the tests to see if the links are still relevant?
> This is a really huge quantity of situation to solve for only one 
> activity :( and we have little ressources :(
> But this is just my opinion :)
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
>
>
> 2016-10-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Horia PELLE <horricane at gmail.com 
> <mailto:horricane at gmail.com>>:
>
>     I have a proposition for the lang activity. Although this activity
>     is complex, very instructive and useful for vocabulary and writing
>     purposes, I think it misses the liveliness of normal/everyday
>     human language. The reason for this inert/still feature is the
>     “atomization” of language in 564 small basic words. They can be
>     learnt individually, but in this case they will only remain 564
>     pieces of a puzzle, with little value in real life communication.
>     In my opinion, all these 564 small blocks of language would
>     exponentially increase their learning value if they could be
>     individually exemplified with everyday human speech.
>     My idea is to place a button/link near each word image, and when
>     it is clicked, it would open a popup window with an external video
>     clip in which one (or more) persons say a phrase containing that
>     word. Ideally, that phrase should be a clip from a good movie, so
>     that pronunciation and emotion could reach maximum levels.
>     In this way, the kids would learn two things: (1) to use all those
>     564 small pieces of language in real verbal communication and (2)
>     the emotional intelligence of human speech, which is a big lack in
>     most computer-assisted learning programs.
>     I began to test short video clips a long time ago, on my little
>     boy, and they all proved very successful (he easily remembers
>     them, and he likes to recite/interprete these clips very often). I
>     provided here four examples, for the words coin
>     <https://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg> (youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg
>     <http://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg>), cute
>     <https://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI> (youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI
>     <http://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI>), dog <https://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8>
>     (youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8 <http://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8>) and huge
>     <https://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY> (youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY
>     <http://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY>) → please take a look at them. Maybe
>     they aren't the best examples or format, but you can feel the
>     fluent everyday language and the broad spectrum of human emotions
>     + body language of these short clips.
>     Of course, the copyrights would certainly raise serious concerns,
>     but if this problem could not be solved by GCompris team, then it
>     could be easily overcome by the individual user. What I mean is
>     that GCompris could provide by default a link of a clip without
>     copyright problems, but the user could be given permission to
>     customize the link and place his/her own link, with the preferred
>     video clip.
>     What do you think?
>

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