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On 10/02/16 18:00, Horia PELLE wrote:<br>
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<div>In my opinion, the programming effort wouldn’t be huge:
it would only suppose an extra button/control to open an
existing clip or not. This extra button could be set to have
a boolean behavior, i.e., to appear or not, depending if the
clip exists (is defined) or not. The children would
certainly love any extra information presented in a video
clip, and the retention of that word would certainly be
better.</div>
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<div>Selecting/trimming 564 clips in national languages of the
countries that don’t have a developed film industry – yes –
that would certainly be a difficult task. However, I believe
that the users from these countries would be more interested
in the english-french-german-spanish lang activities than in
their mother tongue lang activity. Besides, if the
implementation would be “boolean”, there won’t be any
frustration: a clip either exists and then there is an extra
button, or it doesn’t exist, in which case there isn’t any
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<div>About the age pool you have mentioned, it depends very
much of the parent and the kid: some would prefer
animations, others (like my son) would go for the Hollywood
celebrities’ acting. This is why it would be very useful to
give the user the possibility to customize the clip.</div>
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For me, we shouldn't let the user choose which clip it should look
at. There was a discussion about allowing external links in GCompris
a few times ago (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004529.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004529.html</a>,
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href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004535.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/2016-February/004535.html</a>
and following ones). We could think of doing like we do for the
voices, download an external dataset containing all the videos.<br>
Doing like this, we won't have any issue with the potential
disappearing links and we can embed free licensed videos (the main
issue being to find/create them).<br>
For the programming effort, I don't know if Qt provides a media
player (there is phonon or QtMultimedia but I don't know if it is
enough) and if there is a format that could be played everywhere
without codecs or if the format will depend on the OS (like for
audio).<br>
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<div>I am not informed about copyrights, but I know that a
videoclip wouldn’t exceed more than 30 seconds, so couldn’t
it be possible to just obtain the copyright for free,
eventually mentioning in a watermark the title, the year and
the owning company? I mean come on, there is a good chance
that some of these movies would be bought in the future by
some of the users, isn’t it?</div>
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A solution would be to not use existing part of movies but
finding/creating ones with the good license. But, if we go this way,
I'm not sure we'll have enough people to provide us the necessary
resources.<br>
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<div>All in all, I still believe that my idea is viable. I
hope I’m not the only one... <img
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The idea for sure is interesting but the issues are more with the
lack of resources and with the licenses as said by Emmanuel and
Bruno.<br>
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Johnny<br>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 02 October, 2016 15:32</div>
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title="horricane@gmail.com"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: lang activity proposition</div>
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Is this not a too huge task? <br>
GCompris is translated in many languages, I
doubt that this idea if implemented in english
will be maintained in an other language.<br>
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Then we have to think that this is for children
from 2 to 10, we would have to find the words in
kids animation movies mostly, which norrows the
source of vocables.<br>
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Then there is this copyright problem. If we solve it
with links, who would do the tests to see if the
links are still relevant?<br>
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This is a really huge quantity of situation to solve
for only one activity :( and we have little ressources
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But this is just my opinion :)<br>
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Emmanuel<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Horia
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<div>I have a proposition for the lang activity.
Although this activity is complex, very
instructive and useful for vocabulary and
writing purposes, I think it misses the
liveliness of normal/everyday human language.
The reason for this inert/still feature is the
“atomization” of language in 564 small basic
words. They can be learnt individually, but in
this case they will only remain 564 pieces of
a puzzle, with little value in real life
communication. In my opinion, all these 564
small blocks of language would exponentially
increase their learning value if they could be
individually exemplified with everyday human
speech.</div>
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<div>My idea is to place a button/link near each
word image, and when it is clicked, it would
open a popup window with an external video
clip in which one (or more) persons say a
phrase containing that word. Ideally, that
phrase should be a clip from a good movie, so
that pronunciation and emotion could reach
maximum levels.</div>
<div>In this way, the kids would learn two
things: (1) to use all those 564 small pieces
of language in real verbal communication and
(2) the emotional intelligence of human
speech, which is a big lack in most
computer-assisted learning programs.</div>
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<div>I began to test short video clips a long
time ago, on my little boy, and they all
proved very successful (he easily remembers
them, and he likes to recite/interprete these
clips very often). I provided here four
examples, for the words <a
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href="https://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg"
target="_blank">coin</a> (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg"
target="_blank">youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg</a>), <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI"
target="_blank">cute</a> (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI"
target="_blank">youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI</a>), <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8"
target="_blank">dog</a> (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8"
target="_blank">youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8</a>)
and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY"
target="_blank">huge</a> (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY"
target="_blank">youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY</a>) →
please take a look at them. Maybe they aren't
the best examples or format, but you can feel
the fluent everyday language and the broad
spectrum of human emotions + body language of
these short clips.</div>
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<div>Of course, the copyrights would certainly
raise serious concerns, but if this problem
could not be solved by GCompris team, then it
could be easily overcome by the individual
user. What I mean is that GCompris could
provide by default a link of a clip without
copyright problems, but the user could be
given permission to customize the link and
place his/her own link, with the preferred
video clip.</div>
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<div>What do you think?</div>
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