[digiKam-users] First contact to the community (Gilles Caulier)

Gilles Caulier caulier.gilles at gmail.com
Thu Nov 3 15:35:44 GMT 2022 

Hi Jean Pierre,

I see the list of topics to talk about at the meeting. No problem
sharing technical details, there is no stopper subject from this list.

Best regards

Gilles

Le mer. 2 nov. 2022 à 21:37, Jean-Pierre Boucher
<jp.boucher1 at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Hello Gilles and everyone
> Sorry for being late in answering you
> This visio on the maintenance of the documentation is a very good thing for the future of the documentation maintenance, and in consequences of the translations.
> In fact I expected this to continue as part of what you expect.
> All my thanks Gilles.
>
> Even if there are shortcomings, or inconsistencies I think that there is material to recover the existing one but by directing the chapters  towards such or such documents; manuals, tutorials...
>
> For my part,  I'm afraid that I don't have the skills required to tackle the i18n KDE methodologies to do this. The only things I can possibly do is to create a crosstable with all the chapters of the current Manual and indicate whether such and such a chapter should be found, for example, either in:
>
> The User Manual (only the description of the product, Manager and Image Editor...)... On which we must focus first, in updating chapters and adding missing chapters
> The Imports/Exports Manual (given the very numerous TO DO ;-) ... This can take more time to write but can be written later
> The Installation and First Connection Manual (Easy and quick to do)
> The Image/Video Formats Tutorial (and all about the RAW format) , many things exist but must be read again
> The Color Matching and Profiles Tutorial , A lot of things exist too (but must be read again)  and it is not the priority at the moment
> The Work Methods Tutorial (DAM, Archiving, data preservation, Worflow... and so on) at least forty chapters are devoted to it...! to be recovered "as is" (but to be read again with attention in English as well as in French...) and it is not also the actual  priority
>
> This above  is only an exemple, you have to agree on the distribution of Tutorials (not too big, not too many), it's an important first step to decide.
>
> Another point must be raised and not the least is that of the screenshots (the current images correspond to outdated versions)
> It would be desirable that the screenshots are:
>
> Up to date (to be consistent with the right version)
> labeled with one version per language (to assign the right capture to the right function in the right language)
> made each time a function is modified or added (to avoid redoing everything later),
> Same theme for uniformity  (personally I chose GrayCard to have the "dark room" aspect... 😉)
>
> To lighten the work of the documentation team (i18n KDE),  The screenshots and function description could be delegated in the community and then consolidated by the documentation integration team.
>
> If you agree, here are a few lines of possible work elements for the videoconference .
>
> For the choice of the time and day of the videoconference I will adapt, the Weekend suits me (I have neither Skype nor Zoom, I use Kmeet) but it's not a problem I should get out of it.
> If the meeting is partially in French it will suit me, it's been a while since I spoke in English 😊
>
> My best regards to all
> Jean-Pierre
>
> Le mer. 2 nov. 2022 à 09:49, Gilles Caulier <caulier.gilles at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We need to talk in visio about how to maintain the documentation in
>> the future. I will be more fluent in French than in English (:=)))...
>>
>> Please plan a meeting using your preferred tool aka Skype or zoom
>> where i have an account.
>>
>> I'm available generally in the evenings after 6:00 PM every day Paris
>> time, but I think it will be better to plan a reunion during the
>> weekend, as Saturday or Sunday, the meeting can be long with this
>> topic.
>>
>> My best
>>
>> Gilles
>>
>> Le mar. 1 nov. 2022 à 20:47, Jean-Pierre Boucher
>> <jp.boucher1 at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >
>> > Hello Michel,
>> > (If you please transfert this message to Gilles)
>> >
>> > Thanks for your proposal to review my translation but it's still too early,
>> >
>> > In fact, I think I can actually provide you with several documents at the end of November, I did say several documents because I'm going to segment the current document into several parts:
>> >
>> > 1-a user manual describing only the functions of the image manager and the image editor,
>> >
>> > 2-an installation and first connection manual,
>> >
>> > 3-an import/export tools manual
>> >
>> > and several tutorials; on image formats, on colorimetry and profiles, on methodologies (for example DAM) , and others that I don't think of yet at this moment...
>> >
>> >  In fact I don't want to lose the cultural substance of the current Manual, and also out of respect to those who wrote this manual🙏, of course there are many shortcomings , bijective inconsistencies between the Manual and the product but many things in it are very interressing...
>> >
>> > And that is why I will also do the same separation with the english manual so that you can see another documentation easier to maintain and also... easier to translate in others languages, I will probably need help from the community to make screenshots of the English version (which correspond to the current version 😉!) and many other things like for example the description in English of the functions indicated like TO DO ;-) ... For the moment the idea  is to offer you another vision of the digiKam documentation, on the other hand I do not feel up to it, nor the skills to return to them digiKam's documentary production mechanisms and I'm sorry about that. Of course, I would like Gilles to read this email, which I consider to be the pillar of this community of men and women of good will 😊
>> >  Best regards
>> > Jean Pierre
>> >
>> >
>> > Le ven. 28 oct. 2022 à 16:16, Michel Cambron <mcambron at videotron.ca> a écrit :
>> >>
>> >> Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
>> >> I am pleased to see that you have invested a lot of time to translate the documentation in French. I could help you in the review of the translated documents if you were interested. I would like to prepare a few video tutorials in French for the francophone  community on how to use DigiKam. Is it possible to communicate with you ( en français évidemment) to discuss with you? Gilles Caulier, would you also be interested in being part of the discussion to provide advice on the video tutorials?
>> >>
>> >> See Carafife videos as an example, he has produced and incredible set of high-quality video tutorials on ART and DarkTable and other applications. See https://www.youtube.com/user/carafife/videos?reload=9&app=desktop
>> >> Best regards
>> >> Michel
>> >> Montréal, Québec
>> >>
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>> >>    1. Re:  First contact to the community (Gilles Caulier)
>> >>    2. Re:  Display photo information on a picture (JPEG)
>> >>       (Gilles Caulier)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 09:17:36 +0200
>> >> From: Gilles Caulier <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>
>> >> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the
>> >>         power of open source <digikam-users at kde.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] First contact to the community
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>         <CAHFG6sH7mvMDT5dcshVTbnwxW35O_jow=12-wD6sbtCGTocmCw at mail.gmail.com>
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>> >>
>> >> Hi Jean Pierre and welcome.
>> >>
>> >> I will respond to your mail in the mailing list with more details during this long weekend. I'm also French, living in the south near Aix en Provence.
>> >>
>> >> My time is limited actually in my office, this is why this response is short.
>> >>
>> >> So, à plus tard...
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >>
>> >> Gilles Caulier
>> >>
>> >> Note: Please only write in English in the mailing, to share your experience with all people present, else, it's more complicated. You can talk with me by private mail in French if you can , I always respond even if this can take time.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Le jeu. 27 oct. 2022 à 19:08, Jean-Pierre Boucher <jp.boucher1 at gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am a newcomer (72 years old) who went to discover digiKam (Version 7.8.0 on Windows 10 since October 11, I live in France in Ezy-sur-Eure 70 km from Paris I am retired from the aeronautics (Flight Control Systems).
>> >> >
>> >> > Not finding substantial product documentation in French, I decided to fully translate the original manual (I'm in first draft on page 220/320, a lot of work ), but it will take me another 1.5 months or so to finish it. as faithfully as possible to the product.
>> >> >
>> >> > In this context, I test all the functions one by one in order to fully understand their use and take all the screenshots of the French version of the product.
>> >> >
>> >> > First observations:
>> >> >     • For the attention of persons in charge of documentation
>> >> >         ◦ The manual is very rich (almost too much), it is very informative, many topics overflow from the User Manual, which makes it difficult to maintain and translate. The related knowledge part could be documented separately (file formats, DAM methods, tool algorithms...etc)
>> >> >         ◦ Functions are in the documentation but not in the product and vice versa (which makes the translation very complex)
>> >> >         ◦ If you wish, I will make a detailed point of the
>> >> > discrepancies and shortcomings (very many towards the end … "to do"
>> >> > ;-) …)
>> >> >
>> >> >     • For the attention of people in charge of developments
>> >> >     • Translating certain tools that don't work (in my version under Windows 10), even if there aren't many of them, is not easy, if only to take screenshots … (such as importing cameras)
>> >> >     • If you wish, I will later make a detailed point of the anomalies
>> >> > observed
>> >> >
>> >> > For now, regardless of the Manual, I am pleasantly surprised by the quality of this product, in 15 days of all-out testing I only had one crash (in the Clone Repair function).
>> >> > For the Improvements I don't know who to address my requests to… I will prepare a small list by the end of November. They concern the tools of the image editor (some tools work perfectly, some lack ergonomics, some others are enigmatic ...), I find that for the classification part there is practically nothing to say except maybe the possibility of having a sort key on the search elements.
>> >> >
>> >> > I dare to hope that I have not wasted your time with my remarks.
>> >> > In any case, congratulations for all your work.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best regards
>> >> > Jean-Pierre Boucher
>> >> >
>> >> > Pour les francophones
>> >> >
>> >> >  Bonjour tout le monde,
>> >> >
>> >> > je suis un petit nouveau (de 72 ans) parti à la découverte de digiKam (Version 7.8.0 sur Windows 10 depuis le 11 octobre dernier, je vis en France à Ezy-sur-Eure à 70 km de Paris je suis retraité de l’aéronautique (Flight Control Systems).
>> >> >
>> >> > Ne trouvant pas de documentation substantielle du produit en français, j’ai décidé de traduire entièrement le manuel d’origine (je suis dans première ébauche à la page 220/320, beaucoup de travail), mais il me faudra encore 1,5 mois environ pour la terminer le plus fidèlement possible par rapport au produit.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dans ce contexte, je teste une à une toutes les fonctions afin d’en bien comprendre l’utilisation et faire toutes les captures d’écrans de la version française du produit.
>> >> >
>> >> > Premiers constats:
>> >> >
>> >> > A l’attention des personnes en charge de la documentation
>> >> >
>> >> > Le manuel est très riche (presque trop), il est très instructif, de
>> >> > nombreux sujets débordent du Manuel d’utilisation, ce qui le rend
>> >> > difficile à entretenir et à traduire. La partie connaissances connexes
>> >> > pourrait être documentée séparément (formats de fichiers, méthodes
>> >> > DAM, Algorithmes des outils...etc)
>> >> >
>> >> > Des fonctions sont dans la documentation mais pas dans le produit et
>> >> > l’inverse aussi (ce qui rend très complexe la traduction)
>> >> >
>> >> > Si vous le souhaitez, je ferais un point détaillé des divergences et
>> >> > des manquements (très nombreux vers la fin … « à faire » ;-) … )
>> >> >
>> >> > A l’attention des personnes en charge des développements
>> >> >
>> >> > Faire la traduction de certains outils qui ne fonctionnent pas (dans
>> >> > ma version sous Windows 10), même s’il n’y en a pas beaucoup, n’est
>> >> > pas chose aisée ne serait-ce que pour réaliser des captures d’écrans …
>> >> > (comme par exemple l’importation d’appareils photos)
>> >> >
>> >> > Si vous le souhaitez, je ferais ultérieurement un point détaillé des
>> >> > anomalies constatées
>> >> >
>> >> > Pour l’instant, indépendamment du Manuel, je suis agréablement surpris de la qualité de ce produit, en 15 jours de tests tous azimuts je n’ai eu qu’un plantage (dans la fonction Réparation par clonage).
>> >> >
>> >> > Pour les Améliorations je ne sais à qui adresser mes demandes… Je vais préparer une petite liste d’ici la fin du mois de novembre. Elles concernent les outils de l’éditeur d’images (certains outils fonctionnent parfaitement, certains manquent d’ergonomie, certains autres sont énigmatiques …), je trouve que pour la partie classement il n’y a pratiquement rien à dire sauf peut-être la possibilité d’avoir une clef de tri sur les éléments de recherches.
>> >> >
>> >> > J’ose espérer ne pas vous avoir fait perdre votre temps avec mes
>> >> > propos
>> >> >
>> >> > En tous cas bravo pour tout votre travail.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bien Cordialement
>> >> >
>> >> > Jean Pierre Boucher
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 11:58:53 +0200
>> >> From: Gilles Caulier <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>
>> >> To: digikam-users at kde.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Display photo information on a picture
>> >>         (JPEG)
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>         <CAHFG6sEg1bHq3+DhjfH-aMY0g5jt0TzfLv0CB3TJ+PwriR_3bA at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> Le ven. 28 oct. 2022 à 11:51, Michel Cambron <mcambron at videotron.ca> a écrit :
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bonjour Gilles,
>> >> > Thank-you for your reply, I would like to see the photo info (shutter
>> >> > speed, focal length, ISO, aperture with text ( signature)) on the final picture converted to a JPEG or a PNG or a TIFF format.
>> >> > See picture file in attachment. Is it possible to do this in DigiKam?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for the work you do on this amazing application.
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Michel Cambron
>> >> > Montréal
>> >>
>> >> Directly with digiKam in Image Editor, the Insert Text do not provide this feature.
>> >>
>> >> It's the same in BQM, except with the External Script plugin, where you can call ImageMagick for ex to superimpose text information extracted from image metadata.
>> >>
>> >> This BQM tool can call a bash script and deal with image processed in batch.
>> >>
>> >> https://i.imgur.com/icME0Uj.png
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >>
>> >> Gilles Caulier
>> >>
>> >>
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