[digiKam-users] Tip for searching the mailing list archive
irthomasthomas at gmail.com
irthomasthomas at gmail.com
Tue Jan 18 18:17:27 GMT 2022
Nice work, all. Thus proving the value of the mailing list. I would not
have known about this conversation if it was happening on some forum, and
not my inbox.
Cheers
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 at 13:38, Gilles Caulier <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Fixed...
>
> Gilles
>
> Le mar. 18 janv. 2022 à 14:33, Henrik Hemrin <hehemrin at hemrin.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is a good feature you add Giles! The mailing list works well, a
>> forum could also work well, I have no opinion that you should change.
>> However the possibility to find already asked questions and anxwers in the
>> mailing list, is positive and is an answer to an advantage that a forum has.
>>
>> On the support web page, maybe instead of ”(Archives)”, I will understand
>> better what it is about if you update the text to eg ”Browse mailing list
>> archive”.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Henrik Hemrin
>>
>> 18 jan. 2022 kl. 12:42 skrev Gilles Caulier <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Something like that :
>>
>> https://staging.digikam.org/support/
>>
>> It's in staging branch of the web site. It will be online officially in a
>> few minutes.
>>
>> Gilles
>>
>> Le mar. 18 janv. 2022 à 12:12, Phil <philtuckey at free.fr> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On duckduckgo the following search term gives better results:
>>>
>>> site:mail.kde.org inurl:digikam-users dng
>>>
>>> FWIW, this form is given in the Mailman FAQ:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20search%20the%20archives%20of%20the%20mailman-users%20mailing%20list%3F
>>>
>>> I agree that the mailing list archive is a valuable resource, and
>>> searching it is hard/frustrating, as it is for mailman archives in
>>> general.
>>>
>>> I suggest that information about how to search the archive is important
>>> enough to justify putting it on the "digiKam Support" page itself,
>>> https://www.digikam.org/support/, next to the link to the mailing list
>>> archive. For example something like:
>>>
>>> Search the archive using the following search in usual search engines:
>>> site:mail.kde.org inurl:digikam-users my search topic
>>>
>>> It appears that mailman itself does not include a search engine for its
>>> archives, but sites can set up a separate search interface, such as
>>> mailman itself has:
>>> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
>>> As far as I can see, kde does not have a search interface for the lists
>>> served on mail.kde.org. For example the kde lists support page:
>>> https://kde.org/support/mailinglists/
>>> points to the usual pipermail archive interface for the 22 years of the
>>> kde list:
>>> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde/
>>>
>>> (This message is not intended to be critical of anyone, just collecting
>>> information.)
>>>
>>> On 18/01/2022 11:36, irthomasthomas at gmail.com wrote:
>>> > Sorry, the working example link for searching "DNG" in the archive is
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.kde.org%2Fpipermail%2Fdigikam-users%2F+dng
>>> > <
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.kde.org%2Fpipermail%2Fdigikam-users%2F+dng
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 10:31 irthomasthomas at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>, <irthomasthomas at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi, as a workaround to the missing mailing list search function,
>>> try
>>> > this query in your search engine: "site:url search term"
>>> >
>>> > E.g. to search stuff about DNG files:
>>> >
>>> > site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/
>>> > <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/> dng
>>> >
>>> > Google seems to have better results than DDG and Brave for this
>>> type
>>> > of query. D
>>> > I didn't try bing. E.g.
>>> >
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/
>>> > <
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/
>>> >
>>> > dng
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 10:15 frederic chaume,
>>> > <frederic.chaume at gmail.com <mailto:frederic.chaume at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > mailing list is fine for me, only missing from my point of view
>>> > is an efficient searching tool to retreive useful information ,
>>> > to get knowledge from already answered questions. There is a
>>> > link to access all the mails, classified by month , but
>>> unusable
>>> > for any search capabilities (as far as I know)
>>> > regards
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Le 18/01/2022 à 11:06, irthomasthomas at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> >> I also like this mailing list format. I think the empty forum
>>> >> simply reflects the digikam user demographics and preferences.
>>> >> Perhaps the mailing list promotion and onboarding can be
>>> >> improved instead?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks to the team and everyone who contributes here.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 09:59 Stuart T Rogers,
>>> >> <stuart at stella-maris.org.uk
>>> >> <mailto:stuart at stella-maris.org.uk>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree, I like the mailing list and the fact that we get
>>> >> responses from
>>> >> the developers on a regular basis. I also think that the
>>> >> mailing list
>>> >> gets better requests for information than many forums
>>> >> because people
>>> >> stop and think before posting a question because they know
>>> >> everyone on
>>> >> the list will see their update.
>>> >>
>>> >> A forum has to be policed and that takes work which the
>>> >> developers
>>> >> cannot spend time on, it is also far more open to abuse
>>> >> and spam.
>>> >>
>>> >> Stuart
>>> >>
>>> >> On 18/01/2022 08:53, Andrew Goodbody wrote:
>>> >> > I am very much against using a forum. They are slower
>>> >> and take more
>>> >> > effort to read.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Andrew
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 18/01/2022 08:13, Jack Marxer wrote:
>>> >> >> I want to thank the digiKam developers for all the work
>>> >> they have done
>>> >> >> in developing and maintaining such a wonderful program!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I also would like to use a forum, but I don't know if
>>> >> there is someone
>>> >> >> who would be willing to develop and maintain it.
>>> >> >> Jack Marxer
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:03 AM Ty Mayn
>>> >> <tyrus.mayn at gmail.com <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com>
>>> >> >> <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com
>>> >> <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> After study of the public viewable archives I see
>>> >> that discussion
>>> >> >> is more immediate on this oldfashioned Mailman
>>> >> listservice. Its
>>> >> >> clear to me that it is small but has some
>>> >> responsive leaders with
>>> >> >> knowledge.
>>> >> >> Meanwhile the similarly named digikam Forum
>>> >> hosted by kde is
>>> >> >> small and more inactive. After posting there this
>>> >> January I resorted
>>> >> >> to answering my own posting just to be partially
>>> useful
>>> >> >> https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256
>>> >> <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256>
>>> >> >> <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256
>>> >> <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256>>
>>> >> >> The energy on this list service deserves
>>> >> better tools.
>>> >> >> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/
>>> >> <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
>>> >> >> <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/
>>> >> <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>>
>>> >> >> The archive has at least 17 years of useful
>>> >> knowledge zipped into
>>> >> >> 204 separate months that no newcomer (or even old
>>> >> user)will easily
>>> >> >> search.
>>> >> >> Has anyone ever prepared and circulated a
>>> >> consolidated archive
>>> >> >> ready for global search?
>>> >> >> Every posting member has their participating
>>> >> email exposed to
>>> >> >> weak masking that only replaces @ with "at" while
>>> >> the forum tools
>>> >> >> at KDE have good authentication and member shelter.
>>> >> >> Am I the only one to have spoken on this
>>> >> issue? I would have to
>>> >> >> search the archives to know but I suppose each
>>> >> current member has a
>>> >> >> view and every pattern has inertia. Please accept
>>> >> this as a
>>> >> >> positive input on a good thing
>>> >> >> Ty Mayn
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Website: https://www.stella-maris.org.uk
>>> >> <https://www.stella-maris.org.uk>
>>> >> or: https//www.broadstairs.org
>>> >> <http://www.broadstairs.org>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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