[digiKam-users] Tip for searching the mailing list archive
Henrik Hemrin
hehemrin at hemrin.com
Tue Jan 18 13:32:57 GMT 2022
Hi,
This is a good feature you add Giles! The mailing list works well, a forum could also work well, I have no opinion that you should change. However the possibility to find already asked questions and anxwers in the mailing list, is positive and is an answer to an advantage that a forum has.
On the support web page, maybe instead of ”(Archives)”, I will understand better what it is about if you update the text to eg ”Browse mailing list archive”.
Best regards
Henrik Hemrin
> 18 jan. 2022 kl. 12:42 skrev Gilles Caulier <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>:
>
> Something like that :
>
> https://staging.digikam.org/support/ <https://staging.digikam.org/support/>
>
> It's in staging branch of the web site. It will be online officially in a few minutes.
>
> Gilles
>
> Le mar. 18 janv. 2022 à 12:12, Phil <philtuckey at free.fr <mailto:philtuckey at free.fr>> a écrit :
> Hi
>
> On duckduckgo the following search term gives better results:
>
> site:mail.kde.org <http://mail.kde.org/> inurl:digikam-users dng
>
> FWIW, this form is given in the Mailman FAQ:
> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20search%20the%20archives%20of%20the%20mailman-users%20mailing%20list%3F <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20search%20the%20archives%20of%20the%20mailman-users%20mailing%20list%3F>
>
> I agree that the mailing list archive is a valuable resource, and
> searching it is hard/frustrating, as it is for mailman archives in general.
>
> I suggest that information about how to search the archive is important
> enough to justify putting it on the "digiKam Support" page itself,
> https://www.digikam.org/support/ <https://www.digikam.org/support/>, next to the link to the mailing list
> archive. For example something like:
>
> Search the archive using the following search in usual search engines:
> site:mail.kde.org <http://mail.kde.org/> inurl:digikam-users my search topic
>
> It appears that mailman itself does not include a search engine for its
> archives, but sites can set up a separate search interface, such as
> mailman itself has:
> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/>
> As far as I can see, kde does not have a search interface for the lists
> served on mail.kde.org <http://mail.kde.org/>. For example the kde lists support page:
> https://kde.org/support/mailinglists/ <https://kde.org/support/mailinglists/>
> points to the usual pipermail archive interface for the 22 years of the
> kde list:
> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde/>
>
> (This message is not intended to be critical of anyone, just collecting
> information.)
>
> On 18/01/2022 11:36, irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry, the working example link for searching "DNG" in the archive is
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.kde.org%2Fpipermail%2Fdigikam-users%2F+dng <https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.kde.org%2Fpipermail%2Fdigikam-users%2F+dng>
> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.kde.org%2Fpipermail%2Fdigikam-users%2F+dng <https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmail.kde.org%2Fpipermail%2Fdigikam-users%2F+dng>>
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 10:31 irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>>, <irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, as a workaround to the missing mailing list search function, try
> > this query in your search engine: "site:url search term"
> >
> > E.g. to search stuff about DNG files:
> >
> > site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
> > <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>> dng
> >
> > Google seems to have better results than DDG and Brave for this type
> > of query. D
> > I didn't try bing. E.g.
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>>
> > dng
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 10:15 frederic chaume,
> > <frederic.chaume at gmail.com <mailto:frederic.chaume at gmail.com> <mailto:frederic.chaume at gmail.com <mailto:frederic.chaume at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > mailing list is fine for me, only missing from my point of view
> > is an efficient searching tool to retreive useful information ,
> > to get knowledge from already answered questions. There is a
> > link to access all the mails, classified by month , but unusable
> > for any search capabilities (as far as I know)
> > regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 18/01/2022 à 11:06, irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com <mailto:irthomasthomas at gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >> I also like this mailing list format. I think the empty forum
> >> simply reflects the digikam user demographics and preferences.
> >> Perhaps the mailing list promotion and onboarding can be
> >> improved instead?
> >>
> >> Thanks to the team and everyone who contributes here.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, 09:59 Stuart T Rogers,
> >> <stuart at stella-maris.org.uk <mailto:stuart at stella-maris.org.uk>
> >> <mailto:stuart at stella-maris.org.uk <mailto:stuart at stella-maris.org.uk>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree, I like the mailing list and the fact that we get
> >> responses from
> >> the developers on a regular basis. I also think that the
> >> mailing list
> >> gets better requests for information than many forums
> >> because people
> >> stop and think before posting a question because they know
> >> everyone on
> >> the list will see their update.
> >>
> >> A forum has to be policed and that takes work which the
> >> developers
> >> cannot spend time on, it is also far more open to abuse
> >> and spam.
> >>
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> On 18/01/2022 08:53, Andrew Goodbody wrote:
> >> > I am very much against using a forum. They are slower
> >> and take more
> >> > effort to read.
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> >
> >> > On 18/01/2022 08:13, Jack Marxer wrote:
> >> >> I want to thank the digiKam developers for all the work
> >> they have done
> >> >> in developing and maintaining such a wonderful program!
> >> >>
> >> >> I also would like to use a forum, but I don't know if
> >> there is someone
> >> >> who would be willing to develop and maintain it.
> >> >> Jack Marxer
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:03 AM Ty Mayn
> >> <tyrus.mayn at gmail.com <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com> <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com>>
> >> >> <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com <mailto:tyrus.mayn at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> After study of the public viewable archives I see
> >> that discussion
> >> >> is more immediate on this oldfashioned Mailman
> >> listservice. Its
> >> >> clear to me that it is small but has some
> >> responsive leaders with
> >> >> knowledge.
> >> >> Meanwhile the similarly named digikam Forum
> >> hosted by kde is
> >> >> small and more inactive. After posting there this
> >> January I resorted
> >> >> to answering my own posting just to be partially useful
> >> >> https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256 <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256>
> >> <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256 <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256>>
> >> >> <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256 <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256>
> >> <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256 <https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=256>>>
> >> >> The energy on this list service deserves
> >> better tools.
> >> >> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
> >> <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>>
> >> >> <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
> >> <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/ <https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>>>
> >> >> The archive has at least 17 years of useful
> >> knowledge zipped into
> >> >> 204 separate months that no newcomer (or even old
> >> user)will easily
> >> >> search.
> >> >> Has anyone ever prepared and circulated a
> >> consolidated archive
> >> >> ready for global search?
> >> >> Every posting member has their participating
> >> email exposed to
> >> >> weak masking that only replaces @ with "at" while
> >> the forum tools
> >> >> at KDE have good authentication and member shelter.
> >> >> Am I the only one to have spoken on this
> >> issue? I would have to
> >> >> search the archives to know but I suppose each
> >> current member has a
> >> >> view and every pattern has inertia. Please accept
> >> this as a
> >> >> positive input on a good thing
> >> >> Ty Mayn
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Website: https://www.stella-maris.org.uk <https://www.stella-maris.org.uk/>
> >> <https://www.stella-maris.org.uk <https://www.stella-maris.org.uk/>>
> >> or: https//www.broadstairs.org <http://www.broadstairs.org/>
> >> <http://www.broadstairs.org <http://www.broadstairs.org/>>
> >>
> >
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