[Digikam-devel] Separate bugs mailing list?

Tue Aug 23 10:22:37 BST 2011

+1 for me too.

Marcel, Andi ?

Gilles Caulier


2011/8/23 Francesco Riosa <francesco at pnpitalia.it>

> On 08/23/11 10:36, todd rme wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Tom Albers<toma at kde.org>  wrote:
>>
>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Gilles Caulier
>>>> <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2011/8/10 todd rme<toddrme2178 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Tom Albers<toma at kde.org>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Gilles Caulier
>>>>>>>> <caulier.gilles at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/8/10 todd rme<toddrme2178 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently the vast majority of emails to this list are
>>>>>>>>>> automatic
>>>>>>>>>> emails from bugs.kde.org, making it very hard to find the
>>>>>>>>>> non-bug
>>>>>>>>>> discussions and hard for non-developers who are trying to
>>>>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> digikam development process.  To be specific, since the start
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> August there have been 333 non-spam emails to this list.  Of
>>>>>>>>>> those,
>>>>>>>>>> 311 (over 93%) were automatic emails from bugs.kde.org, and
>>>>>>>>>> another 9
>>>>>>>>>> were from git commits or reviewboard.  Only 13 were
>>>>>>>>>> announcements
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> discussions directly on the mailing list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given the high volume of bug reports relative to other
>>>>>>>>>> emails, I
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> it would be very helpful if bug reports were sent to a
>>>>>>>>>> second,
>>>>>>>>>> dedicated mailing list rather than the main list.  This would
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> easier to follow discussions and make it easier to filter and
>>>>>>>>>> categorize emails in email programs.  I suspect, but am not
>>>>>>>>>> sure,
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> it would also encourage more discussion since emails to the
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> not get lost so easily.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Todd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a volumnter to ask a new email adress to kde team
>>>>>>>>> dedicated
>>>>>>>>> to trace bug report and configure it to bugzilla ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gilles Caulier
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CCed Tom Albers, who seems to be keeping track of the mailing
>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> least to some extent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @ Tom: Do you have any suggestions on how to go about doing
>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Todd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Usually dedicated mailinglists for bugs don't work. It will only
>>>>>>> be interesting for 1 or 2 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I would like to suggest is this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We assign a special bugzilla user to all digikam bugs. That way
>>>>>>> the mails to the -devel mailinglist will stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For people that want to get all the mails, they can go to
>>>>>>> bugzilla and 'follow' that special user. Then they get a mail
>>>>>>> for all changes as they have received up to now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that an idea? If so, please make a sysadmin bugreport (see
>>>>>>> footer bugs.kde.org) so we can set it up for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be fine for me, but the digikam developers would need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make the final decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Todd
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One user who receive all bugzilla mail ? It's weird...
>>>>>
>>>>> typically, all developers are registered to a ML. Developers will
>>>>> be
>>>>> triggered to interesting reports (typically each developer maintain
>>>>> a
>>>>> part in digiKam).
>>>>>
>>>>> If only one guy receive bugzilla notification, this filtering will
>>>>> be
>>>>> broken. One people cannot dispatch/assign bug to right developers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think the idea is to have one "virtual" bugs.kde.org user, say
>>>> "digikam-developers" or something like that.  That user is
>>>> automatically subscribed to all digikam bug reports.
>>>>
>>>> On bugs.kde.org, individual users can say that they want to "watch"
>>>> particular users.  Here is the description from bugs.kde.org, which
>>>> explains it better than I can:
>>>>
>>>> "If you watch a user, it is as if you are standing in their shoes for
>>>> the purposes of getting email. Email is sent or not according to your
>>>> preferences for their relationship to the bug (e.g. Assignee)."
>>>>
>>>> So anyone who watches that virtual user will automatically get all
>>>> the
>>>> digikam bug reports emailed to them directly by bugs.kde.org without
>>>> having to through a mailing list or individually subscribe to bugs.
>>>> Anyone who wants to stop getting these emails can just remove the
>>>> "virtual" user from their watch list.
>>>>
>>>> What is more, I think it could even be broken up more finely, with
>>>> "virtual" users for any digikam component (although I am not sure
>>>> about that).  If you do it that way, users could pick which
>>>> components
>>>> they wish to follow by watching particular users.
>>>>
>>>> Did I explain that right, Tom?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perfectly! Come work for the sysadmin team :)
>>>
>>> One tiny correction: the mails from bugzilla contain the component in the
>>> headers if i recall correctly, so your breaking up idea is not needed, you
>>> can filter in your mail client.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>
>> So does this sound like a good plan to everyone?
>>
>> -Todd
>>
>
> I'm currently filtering dk messages with the following rules:
>
> name="dk-commit"
> action="Move to folder"
> actionValue="/INBOX/DigiKam/**commits"
> condition="AND (\"x-commit-project\",begins with,digikam)"
>
> name="dk-bug-ml"
> action="Move to folder"
> actionValue="/INBOX/DigiKam/**bugs-ml"
> condition="AND (\"x-bugzilla-url\",is,http://**bugs.kde.org/<http://bugs.kde.org/>)
> AND (\"list-id\",begins with,digiKam)"
>
> name="dk-ml"
> action="Move to folder"
> actionValue="/INBOX/DigiKam/**devel"
> condition="AND (\"list-id\",begins with,digiKam)"
>
> name="dk-bugs"
> action="Move to folder"
> actionValue="/INBOX/DigiKam/**bugs"
> condition="AND (\"list-post\",is,<mailto:bug-**control at bugs.kde.org<bug-control at bugs.kde.org>
> >)"
>
>
> Something more simple and easyer for newcomers would be good.
> so +1
>
> - Francesco
>
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