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Tue Nov 22 11:40:14 GMT 2011

I agree that the specific Kexi problem is a non issue. "Export to spreadsheet" 
solves it imho.

I still think Tables is a very bad name. So we now have "Insert Table" inside 
Calligra Tables when the text tool is activated. Or inside words does "insert 
table" then mean insert the spreadsheet shape or a text table?

However I'm not going to fight on. I'll just assume text tables whenever I 
write or hear "tables" from now on.

..and for the record I don't think "Words" is that great either and would have 
welcomed a suggestion. It's not as pressing as "Tables" but if a good name had 
been suggested I would certainly have been positive.

On Tuesday 22 November 2011 12:10:21 pstirnweiss at googlemail.com wrote:
> Well, at this point i don't believe we should completly change the name.
> My reason for this is that we made a choice last year after a good and
> organised process involving everyone. I think a community decision should
> only be revisited if there is a large consensus that it causes problems
> which can't be solved by other means. In the present case, i don't think
> there is such a large consensus, quite the contrary. It seems that the
> kexi problem can be solved (seeing Adam mail). As for the Words problem, i
> don't think it is that severe that it requires challenging a community
> decision. My 2 cts,
> 
> PierreSt
> 
> 
> On 22/11/11 11:51 Uzak Matus wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> .. why not to keep it simple, the application should use the capital S:
> 
> "To open a spreadsheet in Spreadsheet:
> 1. Click Open button
> 2. Select a (spreadsheet) document from the list
> 3. Click "Open".
> 
> Another example for "save as" filters combo box there would be items like:
> * LibreOffice spreadsheet
> * Calligra (Spreadsheet) spreadsheet
> 
> > Distinct name is the point we want. Excel has not meaning to many
> > non-English speaking users but it's distinctive.
> 
> Everyone using a computer is familiar with Excel. Microsoft can use the
> luxury to have a separate name for a spreadsheet application because of
> this fact. I don't think we are in such a position, but we might still
> come up with an amazing name for a spreadsheet application. :)
> 
> -matus
> 
> --
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> 
> ________________________________________
> From: calligra-devel-bounces at kde.org [calligra-devel-bounces at kde.org] on
> behalf of Jaroslaw Staniek [staniek at kde.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 22,
> 2011 11:26 AM
> To: Calligra Suite developers and users mailing list
> Subject: Re: results from
> 
> On 22 November 2011 11:15, Uzak Matus <matus.uzak at ixonos.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I discussed the name a bit with friends of mine. And the outcome is: Why
> > to reinvent the name for a spreadsheet application? It's simply
> > "spreadsheet". It's a common term that almost any of the potential users
> > out there understands. Do we care that some other office suite is using
> > the same name ("spreadsheet") for it's spreadsheet application? It's a
> > part of Calligra => Calligra Spreadsheet(s).
> 
> We may care about the same as beofre: not to have this sentence in a
> handbook: "To open a spreadsheet in Spreadsheet:
> 1. Click Open button
> 2. Select spreadsheet document from the list
> 3. Click "Open".
> "
> 
> Another example for "save as" filters combo box there would be items like:
> * LibreOffice Spreadsheet
> * Calligra Spreadsheet Spreadsheet
> 
> Bam! <head explodes>
> 
> > In contrast, what does a user associates with an application named
> > {tables, abakus, numbers, sheets, .., }? I admit there are relations
> > with a spreadsheet application, but very weak (yes there are tables in a
> > spreadsheet). And I don't think many people, especially people under 30
> > have an idea what is/was an abacus? :)
> 
> Abacus, like Plan and Stage etc. are all in english language so this
> is not a point.
> Distinct name is the point we want. Excel has not meaning to many
> non-English speaking users but it's distinctive.
> Good consistency would be a plus but not a the cost of confusion that
> I mentioned in examples above.
> 
> --
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