Fwd: ATF: Stop spreading FUD about other media players

[Ian Monroe]

Thread necromancy!

On 8/17/06, Joe Wreschnig <piman at sacredchao.net> wrote:
> On Fri Jul 21 13:35:56 CEST 2006, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > I'm a) not lying and b) didn't specifically target QL, since I listed
> > pretty much every player.  He's just a defensive prick.
>
> Actually, I pointed to the wiki entry where you added QL to the list. It
> was not in your original list of "pretty much every player", you went
> out of your way to add it.
>
> > 2)  Seems like he has never looked at the ID3v2 specification.  Oh well.  I
> > guess this is too hard (from the ATF Wiki page):
> >
> > Many of the most common digital audio formats, such as MP3...have a metadata
> > field that can be used to store a unique identifier (UID). In fact, ID3v2 has
> > an explicit field precisely for this functionality...
>
> I've seen this on the wiki, and also your blog, but it's clear you're
> the one who doesn't understand the ID3v2 format. The UFID frame takes an
> owner subkey[0], which is required to be a URL. Without that owner
> subkey, it's impossible to implement support without conflicting with
> other potential users of UFID. For example, MusicBrainz also uses UFID,
> with a subkey of "http://musicbrainz.org".
>
> Secondly, in your tests on the TagLib mailing list[1] you're using an
> invalid UFID owner, since it's not a URL. Please go read the ID3v2
> specification yourself.
>
> Thirdly, that only covers ID3. There's no documentation on what to do
> for APEv2 or Vorbis tags.
>
> Kudos to you for a neat (if misnamed) feature. But stop picking on other
> software that doesn't support your undocumented methods, and stop
> pretending it's trivial to understand once you understand ID3v2, which
> you don't.
>
> Sorry if you don't like my footnotes; in most circles, citing factual
> documents makes you more credible, not less.
>
> [0] http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0.html#sec4.1
> [1] http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/taglib-devel/2006-July/000481.html
> --
> Joe Wreschnig <piman at sacredchao.net>