Decision needed for "Move to Trash"

[Leo Franchi]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Mark Kretschmann <kretschmann at kde.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Leo Franchi <lfranchi at kde.org> wrote:
>>
>> Missing PUD support doesn't really have much to do with the fact that
>> the functionality we're discussing should be logically placed in it's
>> correct place. If the PUD is missing, either it should be added or it
>> won't be, but that shouldn't be a reason for/against adding something
>> to the playlist menu that is in the file browser menu already.
>
> Adding PUD support to it is not trivial at all, in fact is has been
> tried, and failed. You can go ahead and try it, and then you'll see
> what technical challenges there are (the File Browser is basically
> KDirOperator, you'd have to hack yourself into there somehow). And
> such inconsistencies are not minor at all, in fact they are very bad.
> Half-working stuff isn't cool in any way.

I know it's been tried, and people have failed. And that it's really
hard. My point is that it's not relevant to the discussion we're
having, it's tangential. Regardless of whether it's easy or hard,
there or not, we're talking about the playlist context menu here.

>>> I'm currently counting 5 entries in the Playlist menu, after Louis had
>>> done the menu cleanup for 2.2.2 (he moved the Cover Image actions into
>>> an "Album" sub-menu). So I don't see any usability issues with
>>> overcrowding either.
>>
>> You do realize what you're saying is contradictory, right? "X just
>> cleaned it up by making it shorter, that's good. Let's make it
>> longer."
>
> Meep. Ever heard of "balance"? There is such a thing as "too many",
> and "too few". And then there is a "sweet spot". What this sweet spot
> exactly is, that's not easy to tell, but it can be found.
>
> So I did not contradict myself :) You just need to learn a thing or
> two about usability.

Whenever people bring up the word "usability" and they're not
usability experts a little part of me dies. I certainly didn't claim I
wanted to keep it out of the playlist context menu for usability
reasons, as I'm not in a position to  say that. Last I checked,
neither are you. Let's get some real input from usability
folk---thomas, celeste, etc. Their comments have weight when it comes
to usability.

Of course that isn't the only reason for/against a feature. There are
many other reasons for including or for excluding it---and that's what
we're discussing right now.

leo