ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Diumenge, 10 de juny de 2012, a les 20:17:56, Wulf C. Krueger va escriure:
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> On 10.06.2012 15:27, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >> - - Before announcing the tarballs, build the whole thing at
> >> least once.
> > 
> > We do that, that's why we have a week before the release where
> > packagers get access to pre-release tarballs.
> 
> No, that's for us packagers to "do our thing". What you give us
> should, as a rule, build and install properly.
> Of course, we'll notify you if things are broken but that should be
> the exception, not the rule.
> 
> Nor should offloading the burden of QA to us be the rule. You
> shouldn't just throw untested tarballs at our feet and hope for the best.
> 
> In several emails respect was asked for; I consider it highly
> disrespectful to be considered a guinea pig for untested stuff. And,
> please, don't tell me about manpower now - most of us aren't paid to
> package KDE either and manpower is always scarce in F/OSS.

Feel free to wait until the packages are released publicly. That way you'll 
have packages that work

> 
> What all of this boils down to is, I'm talking about proper QA. We
> shouldn't be the ones who first compile the tarballs. Whoever creates
> them should be or someone who's task to build them should be.
> 
> There shouldn't be a single untested tarball on any (semi-)public
> site. That's what developer and/or build/release management testing is
> for.

There is not a single untested tarball in any semipublic site. There are 
untested tarballs in a private site.

> 
> > For example all the mails you are seeing about the beta2 tarballs
> > are over tarballs that are not public not announced yet, so you
> > can't say we don't build them, we do build them,
> 
> No, you don't. You just told me you expect *us* to do *your* QA, your
> *testing* and, ideally, sort *your* stuff out (including, according to
>  some, informing individual project leads). Disrespectful.

*us* and *you* is *we*

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> > again you are just having a different perception of the reality
> > because we operate in the open instead of behind closed doors.
> 
> Riiiight. It's all my perception only and KDE has no issues at all. ;-)
> 
> - --
> Best regards, Wulf
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