ALERT: KDElibs (at least) 4.8.4 is actually 4.8.80+

[Wulf C. Krueger]

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On 10.06.2012 15:27, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
>> - - Before announcing the tarballs, build the whole thing at
>> least once.
> We do that, that's why we have a week before the release where
> packagers get access to pre-release tarballs.

No, that's for us packagers to "do our thing". What you give us
should, as a rule, build and install properly.
Of course, we'll notify you if things are broken but that should be
the exception, not the rule.

Nor should offloading the burden of QA to us be the rule. You
shouldn't just throw untested tarballs at our feet and hope for the best.

In several emails respect was asked for; I consider it highly
disrespectful to be considered a guinea pig for untested stuff. And,
please, don't tell me about manpower now - most of us aren't paid to
package KDE either and manpower is always scarce in F/OSS.

What all of this boils down to is, I'm talking about proper QA. We
shouldn't be the ones who first compile the tarballs. Whoever creates
them should be or someone who's task to build them should be.

There shouldn't be a single untested tarball on any (semi-)public
site. That's what developer and/or build/release management testing is
for.

> For example all the mails you are seeing about the beta2 tarballs
> are over tarballs that are not public not announced yet, so you
> can't say we don't build them, we do build them,

No, you don't. You just told me you expect *us* to do *your* QA, your
*testing* and, ideally, sort *your* stuff out (including, according to
 some, informing individual project leads). Disrespectful.

> again you are just having a different perception of the reality
> because we operate in the open instead of behind closed doors.

Riiiight. It's all my perception only and KDE has no issues at all. ;-)

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Best regards, Wulf
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